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Why are the American media, both liberal and conservative, so unanimously anti-Russian?
cdi.org ^ | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:47:59 EST | Ira Straus

Posted on 01/28/2005 8:43:55 PM PST by Destro

Why are the American media, both liberal and conservative, so unanimously anti-Russian?

Ira Straus

Branko Milanovic has asked JRL readers to respond to an intriguing question: "why are the American media, both liberal and conservative, so unanimously anti-Russian?" He has offered a series of plausible hypotheses to comment on, so I'd like to take him up on the challenge.

However, first we need to be clear about the subject. Milanovic clarifies that he does not mean that reporters are all subjectively hostile to Russia, but that they are led into invariably anti-Russian positions by their premises. Most of the responses to him on JRL have ignored this, and treated it as a simpler question of pro-Russian or anti-Russian subjective attitudes on the part of reporters.

The question instead becomes one of the premises: "Why are the implicit assumptions apparently held by every major analyst and reporters of the most influential US papers, (1) that whatever problem at hand where there is some Russian involvement, it is the Russians who are guilty until proven the reverse, and (2) that the only Russian policy that is to be applauded is a policy that is supposed to serve the interests of other countries but (not) Russia."

That such premises are widely present would be hard to deny; any content analysis would confirm it, once one thought of looking for it. However, since the premises are unstated one can of course quibble over the words with which Mr. Milanovic makes them manifest.

One might also quibble over just how widespread they are. Certainly what appears on the editorial and op-ed pages of the Washington Post is scandalous in its insistent, irrational hostility toward Russia, as well as the op-ed page of the Wall Street Journal. Most of the American media are more moderate and try to show some consideration to Russia, out of respect both for national interests and for Russia's dramatic and peaceful changes from the days when it was our enemy. However, the assumptions to which Milanovic points remain rather pervasive, and serve to sabotage the good faith efforts that writers make at being fair.

This is not a matter of whether one thinks that Russia is right or wrong in particular matters. Rather, it is a matter of assumptions that in most cases exclude awareness of the very possibility that a Russian activity beyond its borders is ever benign or that a Russian interest is ever legitimate. Serious criticism of Russia requires greater discrimination; otherwise there is no reason for it to be paid any attention by Russia, nor by Western governments since they accurately perceive that it's important for their interests to get cooperation from Russia.

Criticism of the media's anti-Russian assumptions is also logically unrelated to whether one considers the media to be on the right or wrong side on a particular issue. On Ukraine it seems Milanovic and I both think Russia was on the wrong side and the media on the right side; yet I find the Western media's "campaign" on this subject to have been wrong in approach -- indeed, more similar to the Yanukovych campaign with its polarizing two-camp spirit than to Yushchenko's. Why did the media misrepresent its own proclaimed cause within Ukraine? We can add this question to the ones Milanovic posed.

And we can add Dmitri Glinski's question (JRL 9022) -- why is there the relentless highlighting of the negative about Russia? -- something that could be done to any country to make it look black, but generally isn't done to any other country. China gets ignored for the same and far worse faults. Why the "double standard", as Russians constantly ask in what has become an all-national complaint?

Now, regarding Milanovic proffered explanations: I think it's worth obliging his request for comment on them, rather than writing yet another general discourse. His explanations seem sufficiently on target as to offer a basis for building on. Here they are, with my comments:

"(1) For seventy years, commentators have been anti-Soviet and since obviously some of Russia's foreign policy stances will coincide with those of the USSR, their knee-jerk reaction to argue against these positions in the past carried over to the present day."

Inevitably this is a factor. Probably the main factor.

Soviet Russia was the enemy on a global scale; the West opposed it everywhere. It was an ideological war, where both sides had to try to delegitimize the other's position everywhere; so we tried to delegitimize its interests everywhere. Further: each side pinned the label of "imperialism" on any interest the other might pursue or influence it might exercise beyond its border. At the same time, each side tried to delegitimize the other domestically. The domestic delegitimization more or less ceased after Dec. 1991, although the universalist human rights and democracy ideology endured and grew even stronger, with potential for application to delegitimize any regime anywhere. But the damnation of any external Russian influence as "imperialist" continued as before. From this follows, by a strict if perverse logic, the unstated premises that Milanovic finds in the Western media: that Russia cannot have any valid interests beyond its borders but should only serve the interests of other countries and must bear the presumption of guilt in any dispute.

But if this is a Cold War outlook, why do young post-1991 journalists chime in? One would have to explain this by a kind of "milieu culture", where the assumptions of analysis were deeply embedded. In many newspapers and think tanks it was habitual to produce anti-Russian analysis and to dismiss anything else as dupery of Russian propaganda. For fifty years, it was seen as a matter of life and death for Western civilization to think this way; the culture was backed by a series of circular arguments to head off any attention to other thoughts. The circular reasoning continues to head off new thoughts. Newcomers can always be expected to want to fit in.

Occasionally I also perceive a sort of "Cold War envy" among young writers: they would have liked to have been heroes of the Cold War but it was over before they got the chance. Now they can have a surrogate Cold War heroism by attacking Russia. And it's a lot safer to attack Russia today than in Soviet times, when the "opponents of the Cold War" could be expected to counter-attack vigorously. After the fact, it seems clear that it was right to fight for the Western side of the Cold War. At the time, the choice was a lot more forlorn: an arguable one made within a dangerous nuclear standoff, and more likely to get oneself attacked than applauded in the mass media.

"(2) Russia is viewed as a defeated power, say like Germany and Japan in the late 1940 and the 1950s. Hence Americans are annoyed by Russia's truculence. In other words, Russia should accept that it lost the Cold War, behave like a defeated power and keep a very, very low profile. In other words, do not box out of your league."

Russians fear that this is a major factor in American thinking. I think it is a minor one. Most of the media and public -- and most government officials for that matter -- seem unaffected by this attitude. To be sure, for a geopolitical analyst like Brzezinski, Russia matters so much that he devotes a large portion of his writings to proving that it doesn't matter. But he is not representative; he is, after all, Polish as well as American in his geopolitics.

"(3) Russia is viewed as an ultimately conservative force... Since "progressive" no longer means socialist but pro-market and "pro-democracy" and since the latter is identified with being "pro-US", then Russia is by definition on the other side of the divide."

Yes, Russia is criticized as anti-democracy and anti-American; no, it is not criticized as anti-market. Just the opposite: there are plenty of people who are angry at Russia for having betrayed Communism and gone "capitalistâ". Both Left and Right get to hate Russia nowadays on ideological grounds.

"(4) Russia is viewed as an anti-progressive and anti-Semitic force again harking back to the 19th century imagery...

"(5) East European propaganda has been very effective perhaps because there was some truth in it (Communism was in most cases imposed by Soviet arms), or perhaps because it is a simple story (big guys oppress small guys), or perhaps because there is a lot of ignorance among the pundits. On the latter, I wonder how many journalists know that Rumanians and Hungarians in their thousands were fighting the Soviets together with the Nazi all the way to Stalingrad (and after); or that "the nice and helpless" East European countries often fought among themselves (Hungary and Poland each taking a slice of Czechoslovakia in Munich in 1938) so that territorial aggrandizement was hardly a Russian specialty."

Well spoken, evidently by one with roots in the former Yugoslavia, where the demonic side of some small Eastern European nationalisms was seen a lot more recently than 1938.

He might have added that the West is familiar with Polish suffering from Russian domination, and rightly so, but not with the earlier history of the reverse Russian suffering. This is pertinent to the present situation.

Russians remember well the Time of Troubles, with Polish interventions in Moscow, and still earlier periods of two-sided conflict. Lest we dismiss this as obsessing over ancient history, we should remember that Americans obsessed over Britain as the national enemy for a century after 1776 (some of them still do!), reconciling only in the 1890s and only half-way; Franklin Roosevelt treated the British Empire as an enemy even while embracing little England proper as an ally in the life-and-death battles of WWII; Eisenhower did likewise in the Suez crisis. This American obsession with undermining the British Empire, even when England proper was a vital ally, shows two things: (a) it is uncomfortably similar to the present US half-embrace of Russia proper while remaining hostile to almost anything that anyone labels "Russian imperialism"; and (b) there is nothing unnatural in remembering one's countries major historic conflicts, or in past historical traumas retaining a sense of "present-ness". Indeed, for a country like Russia, it is inevitable: the territory is the same and the neighbors are the same.

After withdrawing in 1991 to a geopolitical position not too far removed from that of the Time of Troubles, how could Russians fail to notice the historical analogies? The only real alternative -- integration into a common defense structure offering wider assurances, such as NATO -- was denied them (while their neighbors got in, with the criteria bent to discriminate against Russian interests much in the manner described by Milanovic); they were left to think of their own security in traditional historic geographical terms.

At present, the long national memory plays into Russian fears about Polish influence in Ukraine, whose revolution is seen as another step driving back Russia with an ultimate goal of breaking up the Russian federation (a goal that some Ukrainian nationalist emailers confidently informed me of when they found that my support for the Orange Revolution did not extend to support for further revenge on Russia). In my view the Russian fears are misplaced, but before dismissing them out of hand, we might consider that their fear is not of Poland and Ukrainian nationalists per se but of their influence on the superpower of the day, America. They point to the prominence of Eastern European ethnics in our democratization NGOs and quasi-governmental agencies, which help define who is to be regarded as "a democrat" in the former Soviet space and sometimes treat anti-Russianism as a criterion. Not to mention Mr. Brzezinski, whose thoughts, while clever and sometimes generous in what they propose for the future, always seem to boil down in the present to a need for Russia to cede more geopolitical positions and territory.

Indeed, as Mr. Milanovic has observed, if one were to judge America from its media, one would have to say that Americans think Russia has no right to any interests at all or to any actions to defend them. Is it surprising that Russians draw what seem to be the logical conclusions from what our media say -- that Western pressures will not cease until Russia has collapsed and broken into pieces? This is an all too natural conclusion in Russian eyes, even if our media are unconscious of the premises of their own arguments and would not imagine themselves ever to embrace such further deductions as that Russia ought to break up. Can we be sure that the media are right in their presumption of their own future innocence? Would it be too much to ask the American media to be more sensitive to how they sometimes seem to confirm Russia's worst fears?

"(6) Analysts and pundits know better but they try to play to the popular prejudices which are anti-Russian (which of course begs the question, why are they anti-Russian?)"

No. Just the opposite: the public does not view Russia as an enemy. Part of the elite acts that way despite the public. It thinks it knows better than the public, which has been hoodwinked into thinking Russia has changed: this has been a constant theme ever since the elitist Bush-Scowcroft-Eagleburger reaction against Reagan who they thought was naive about Gorbachev.

Polls regularly show since 1991 that, when Americans are asked who is America's main enemy, only 1-2% name Russia. About 50% usually have given the diplomatically correct answer that we have no national enemy. Substantial percentages name terrorists, Islamic extremists, or China as the enemy. Then comes a trickle naming various other countries, such as Germany or Japan, or France, or Britain; Russia is well down on the list. There is no mass sentiment of enmity to Russia. This contrasts to the Russian public, where similar polls regularly show about 25% naming America as Russia's main enemy in the world -- dwarfing the percentages that name Chechnya, Islamic extremists, terrorists, China, or anyone else.

"or to play to the preferences of the US administration..."

No again. A big role is played, however, by the exact opposite mechanism: the traditional adversarial relation between media and Administration. By attacking Russia, the media gets in a patriotic-sounding attack on the Administration for not being anti-Russian.

Articles and TV programs on Chechnya almost invariably make a major point of saying that the US government is failing properly to denounce Russia for Chechnya and is "giving Russia a pass" (a revealing phrase in itself). In most cases it seems it is this criticism of the US government that is the main purpose of the articles, not criticism of Russia or concern for Chechnya, about which most editorialists and pundits know little and care less.

The media also criticize themselves for not being anti-Russian enough. In a space of a few weeks at a time not very long ago, practically every major medium reaching the DC area -- PBS, another TV network, BBC, Deutsche Welle, NPR, Washington Post -- had a major program on Chechnya. Each one was a program styled to whip up sentiment not to promote comprehension. Each one deplored the war in near-identical terms, reaching for the "g" word, blaming the US and Western governments for not attacking Russia over this -- and, strangely, attacking the Western media themselves for ignoring the war. In reality, Chechnya has been over-covered when measured in proportion to other wars of similar scale and character. Sudan's mass murder-war against black Muslim Darfur has probably beat out Chechnya in recent coverage, probably because it has risked becoming a genuine and fast-moving genocide, but its decades-old mass murder-war against the black Christian-animist South has received far less attention. One of the pieces on Chechnya was titled, without realizing the irony, "the forgotten war". The desire to be in the opposition was carried to the point of reductio ad absurdum: the media was in campaign mode, and attacked its own campaign for not being loud enough.

On JRL readers may recall how Masha Gessen launched into an attack on the media for being pro-Russian, the meaning of it being that most of the media were not as relentlessly anti-Russian as her own writings and the Washington Post. But then, it would be bad form for American media to display a fixed hostile polemical attitude toward another country (and people are noticing that it is bad form in the case of the Post). It is only toward their own government that journalists can really feel proud of taking a fixed negativist attitude. But there they run into a problem: the public -- their audience -- resents it as unpatriotic.

Here is where Russia comes in to save the day. Attacking it is a convoluted way of playing domestic politics; the media get to act out a national-patriotic role and an adversarial anti-government role at one and the same time. Of all foreign countries, Russia is the most useful for playing domestic politics against. It was the main turf for politicizing foreign policy questions throughout the Cold War years. "Being soft on Russia" was the kind of charge that could always arouse interest. Today it has the further advantage of no longer sounding like "anti-Communism", a distaste for which among the literary classes restrained such accusations during the Cold War years.

Nowadays attacking Russia has a politically correct tinge to it, since Russia is a white Christian country. By contrast, attacking China still suffers from being susceptible to counter-charges of racism and anti-Communism. Perhaps this is the source of the strange double standard in which Russia is attacked just about any day for just about anything while China is virtually ignored day after day, month after month for the same and far worse.

Attacking Russia is especially "correct" when it is a matter attacking a Republican Administration for being soft on a Russia that is beating up on Muslims. One doubts that much of the American public shares the media's sensibilities on this. Picture bubba listening as Dan Rather launches into Russia for beating up on Muslim Chechens; he'll probably be telling himself, "there the liberal media go again, standing up for our enemies and blaming our allies the Russians for fighting back". Among Americans who write about politics, only Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter dare to say such things, but many more think it, in whole or in part.

The importance of adversarial culture for the media can be seen from the Bush I administration, which truly was anti-Russian. The media bashed Bush I for this; it became ambivalent on Russia, taking on a more pro-Russian hue than any time before or since. As soon as Clinton got a pro-Russian reputation, the media switched back to Russia-bashing mode. It was Clinton-bashing that was the real point.

In other words, the media should not be taken as a barometer of U.S. government policieson Russia. It is more often an indicator of the opposite.

What does it matter? A lot. The media drumbeat against Russia has an enormous impact on public policy, not only in the US but in every Western country, and in Russia itself. It makes it hard to think clearly, or even to see clearly. It fosters and fans conflict. It promotes a tit for every tat.

First, the effects on Russians. The media play an enormous role in convincing them that we're an enemy. They can see CNN, BBC and other Western media daily, at length; they hear from our government only rarely, and practically never from the American people. They can see the Western media's implicit premises far more clearly than the media themselves do. Mistakenly assuming these premises to represent Western policy, they draw what would be the logical conclusion: that we are their enemy. If Russia does in turn become an enemy again, the media will have been a major cause of it.

Second, effects on Western policy-making are just as damaging. Instead of helping the Western governments do their thinking, the media block out most of the space for it. They make it harder for the West to think out loud about such matters as how to build active alliance relations with Russia, or how to overcome the remaining Cold War standoffs. They make it harder to follow a steady course where cooperation has been agreed, They have done much to cause the West to be an unreliable partner for Russia, an unreliability that democrats in Russia noted with profound regret throughout the 1990s. They prioritize conflicting interests over shared interests, encouraging every minor divergence of interest to grow into a major opposition. Their audience ratings flourish on conflict; and no longer fearing it as risking war or nuclear incineration, they promote it shamelessly.

If we end up with a new Cold War -- and the risk is becoming a real one -- it won't be a small thing. It would mean a nuclear superpower once again ranged against us and the world plunged back into a bipolar disorder, only in more unstable conditions. In that case, the media will no doubt turn around and denounce as "reckless" those who carry out their painful duties in the conflict. The truly reckless ones, however, will have been those in this era who so freely did so much to bring it on.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: antirussian; cheesewithyourwhine; conspiracy; mediabias; russia; victimology
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To: jb6
except your own dexterity in switching positions like an acrobat

I haven't switched any position nor made any inconsistent statements at all. Once again you are a liar and have fabricated this charge. Prove it. make your case. I tell no lie. You are the liar as I have proved time and time again.

Yes I support Georgia against Russian aggression. Georgia is an ally of America, unlike Russia. Putin needs to get his Russian troops out of Georgia. President Bush agrees with me and has said so. Russia said they would leave but they lied.

do you also support their announced alliance with Basayov?

There is no such thing except in your web of fringe conspiranoia.

221 posted on 01/29/2005 10:36:21 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Georgia is an ally of America, unlike Russia.

Ally? One that takes US monies while turning a blind eye to Jihadies in their midst. One that you support who attempted to exterminate their minorities, all of their minorities. Hmmm, fitting.

222 posted on 01/29/2005 11:03:43 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Georgia is an ally of America, unlike Russia.

Also, tell us how you support men who close down their media and force out conservative parties. Your allies:

You "love" freedom by supporting genociders and autocrats. Yeah, keep hopping.

Georgia's media under pressure a year after aiding 'rose revolution'

HRIDC: Georgian-language “Georgian Times” under threat of being closed by the authorities;

Yes, your ally, the hater of things conservative/republican.

Saakashvili Hails 2004 as a Huge Success, but Refrains to Comment on Failures

But the opposition, which is represented in the Parliament by a small group of New Rights-Industrialists coalition, as well as by the Republican Party and newly set up Conservative Party, has been focusing over the government’s failures this week, while the Parliament was approving the new cabinet. The opposition slammed government for increased human rights abuse, restriction of free media, mounting pressure on judicial system, as well as about the South Ossetian policy, which according to the opposition led to failed August campaign when clashes erupted between the Georgian and Ossetian forces.

223 posted on 01/29/2005 11:09:36 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: winker
You do realize that 1. The Scythians lived on the north shores of the Black Sea, some 1,000 miles from Isreal and never ventured that far south, not even nearly.

Second, you do realize that Orthodox Christian Ethiopia is south of Isreal, don't you? So your wacky cult predicts an alliance of northern nations of Orthodox Russia, Shiete Iran, Sunni Syria, Orthodox Ethiopia, Catholic/Luthern Germany and Sunni Turkey? What crack are you on? Keep waiting for it, it'll be a waste of a life time.

224 posted on 01/29/2005 11:13:53 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: GarySpFc
while heading KGB operations in East Germany?

He was a colonel and a desk jockey in Dresden. If he headed operations he would have been a general and in Berlin.

225 posted on 01/29/2005 11:17:45 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6
You "love" freedom by supporting genociders and autocrats.

What does this even mean? Do you have any specific charges against Saakashvili or is it all Georgians who are "genociders?"

You defend Putin against the same charges that you make against Saakashvili. You even use Soros propaganda from leftist "human rights" groups to do it. You are the one who is "hopping" around condemning Saakashvili for the same things Putin does which you defend.

America stands with our ally Georgia against Russian aggression.

Russia must leave Georgia, or the consequences will be on their heads!

226 posted on 01/30/2005 12:19:02 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Destro
So how does providing Iran with nuclear technology help fight terrorism or advance Russian interests in a sensible fashion? Giving a tin of gasoline and matches to an arsonist does not fight arson, so why should Russia hope the principle will be different with terrorists? And why should a nuclear armed Iran that no longer needs Russian technical help not become a danger to Russia as well as to other neighbors?

I surmise that the cash paid by the mullahs for Russian nuclear technology includes lush bribes to Russian officials. But once enough A bombs are in hand and Russian help is no longer needed -- perhaps three years from now -- Iran could advance its interests and easily score major points with Islamists by advocacy on behalf of the Chechen rebels and against Russia in the 'Stans.

The supposed Iran-India-Russia alliance is not a genuine alliance but is a temporary and subsidiary political alignment that is readily subject to change. With an economy increasingly tied to the American market, India is establishing a relationship with the US that precludes fidelity to Russian strategic interests when they clash with those of the US. Plausibly, India, a regional nuclear power friendly with Iran, could help bring her to drop support for terrorism and harmonize its foreign policy with American interests, making Russia the odd man out. If that happens, can we at least agree now that having played a dangerous game that helps Iran get nuclear weapons, Russia will have no cause to complain if the game turns against her?

It is pure fantasy to say that in the 1990's the CIA has backed Islamic terrorists in Central Asia. But there are strong indications that the Russian FSB bombed an apartment building and blamed the Chechens so as to panic the Russian public into electing Putin. And it is painfully clear that corruption has undermined Russia's efforts to protect itself against terrorism. See the excerpts and articles linked below from the BBC.

Beslan team accuses top officials

High-ranking military officials aided gunmen who seized a school in Beslan, according to the Russian parliamentary commission investigating the siege.

Two officers have been arrested, the commission's chairman, Alexander Torshin, told Russian news agencies.

"Now I think a couple of others will join them... and their rank is higher than major," he was quoted as saying.

Full story at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4214853.stm


Police charged over Beslan siege

Russia has charged three police officials with criminal negligence over the Beslan school siege, in which an estimated 360 people were killed.

Residents of Beslan welcomed the charges as a start, though they are furious that the gunmen ever made it to their town. Many believe the gunmen bribed their way through police checkpoints.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3958249.stm
227 posted on 01/30/2005 1:09:47 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Destro
But the Russians did restore the Kingdom of Poland - againstt he wishes of Prussia.

I repeat, ONLY POLES could restore Kingdom of Poland. Russians created their puppet republic called “Kingdom of Poland”.

Instead of Prussian Junkers, Russia installed Polish lords.

Russian czar was “king of Poland” and his brother was his Governor in Warsaw. Of course except few traitors Poles never recognized them. Czar “gave” us also new constitution but his brother didn’t cared about that at all.

To be clear Poles didn’t needed more reasons for uprisings than independence of Poland. Of course that don’t mean that there weren’t other reasons provoked by Russians.
228 posted on 01/30/2005 3:07:53 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Saakashvili Presents Peace Plan at the PACE

Saakashvili gave South Ossetia more rights than they would have in Russia (practically democratic quasi- independence, when in Russia only simple republic ruled by local clan like in Dagestan for example) but their leader, Russian puppet Eduard Kokoity still want to join Russia. Similar status Saakashvili would give Abkhazja but their leaders also pro-Russian, don’t want to talk at all. Russians simply want to destabilize oil transfer from Caspian sea.
229 posted on 01/30/2005 3:26:19 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: jb6

Russia is the headquarters of the Alliance, the others are aligned with it as participants no matter where they are located. Russia is still calling the shots hence the "NORTHERN CONFEDERACY" exists as a partnership of like minded nations who follow Russia's Orders!


230 posted on 01/30/2005 8:57:04 AM PST by winker
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To: GarySpFc

I will give him credit for that and anything else deserving of credit, of which there appears to have been more than I suspected.


231 posted on 01/30/2005 9:04:55 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MarMema

This thread has been an eye-opener. Thanks for the info. God bless you and yours.


232 posted on 01/30/2005 9:06:15 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Rockingham

It's a light water reactor, the same as the two we were building the N.Koreans. You can't make fissable fuel from it. Dirty bomb fuel yes, nuke bomb no. Pakistan, though, is giving them nukes.


233 posted on 01/30/2005 9:20:47 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Rockingham

nuclear power plants don't produce nuclear bombs.


234 posted on 01/30/2005 10:21:21 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Lukasz

Poles rather have lived as Serfs to the Prussian Junkers (not a good thing to be) than be autonomous.


235 posted on 01/30/2005 10:23:12 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro; jb6
Russian help with nuclear reactor technology is vital to Iran's nuclear weapons program because much of the knowledge and equipment carries over to building nuclear weapons. Also, light water reactors produce plutonium, which can be reprocessed and used to make A bombs. That is how we produced the bomb that we dropped on Nagasaki and why North Korea's spent reactor fuel is such an issue.

In addition, Russia has provided essential help to Iran's ballistic missile missile program. Russia has been promiscuous in supplying equipment, materials, and technical knowledge useful to Iran's biological and chemical weapons programs. And Russia has helped North Korea with similar weapons programs, with less known to the public because of the isolated, Stalinist nature of that regime.

To return to the question posed by the original post -- why are both conservative and liberal American media so "anti-Russian" -- I submit that it is because the facts are so damning. In addition to the points made in previous posts, Russian has done much to heap discredit and ill will upon herself by helping Iran (and North Korea) develop nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the means to deliver them. Since these are vile regimes that hate and routinely threaten America, one ought not to be surprised that Americans do not like Russia for aligning with and helping them.
236 posted on 01/30/2005 7:43:15 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: BlackElk

God bless you!


237 posted on 01/30/2005 8:09:55 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Rockingham

You know and I know Iran has zero to do with it. Pakistan has active nukes on missles and does not get the same bad press.


238 posted on 01/30/2005 8:38:55 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Actually, Pakistan does get a lot of bad press in the US -- and with good reason because of the powerful Islamist movement there and Pakistan's state support for terrorism in Kashmir. But after 9/11, Pakistan has also furnished important help against terrorism, even if it has taken substantial American pressure and aid for Musharaf to do so.

With national icon, nuclear proliferator A. Q. Khan now exposed, shut down, and under house arrest, Pakistan's conduct as to weapons help to others is now better than Russia's, which continues to provide extensive nuclear, chemical, biological, and missile technology and expertise to dangerous regimes. As bad as Pakistani nukes on missiles are, they are not directed at Israel, Europe, or the US but are a counter to India's nuclear weapons and the threat that they pose has been constrained by diplomacy and Pakistan's sense of caution.

With nuclear weapons and a record of support for terrorism worldwide, Islamist Iran will be more dangerous and intractable than ever. Is Russia prepared to accept and be responsible for the consequences? A "bad press" in America will be the least of it, for Iran is the kind of customer that seems likely to turn upon its supplier once it is opportune to do so.
239 posted on 01/30/2005 11:40:35 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
"But after 9/11, Pakistan has also furnished important help against terrorism"

So has Russia - intel in Iraq and substantial aid Afghanistan against the Taliban and ongoing intel in the war on al-Qaeda.

240 posted on 01/30/2005 11:55:25 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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