Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl,
I did not respond a while back because you ignored my post. You are more interested in propagating information than engaging in real dialog.

Do you even know what a spontaneous process is? I doubt it! Do you know the relevance of spontaneous processes in the debate concerning thermodynamics?

There are a number of ways to define information and the method chosen depends on the purpose of the analysis. Dembski's method is perfectly legitimate and is useful in distinguishing design! It is intrinsically intertwined with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, though the elucidation of the connection remains yet to be completed.
2,296 posted on 02/22/2005 8:35:13 PM PST by nasamn777 (The emperor wears no clothes -- I am sorry to tell you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1791 | View Replies ]


To: nasamn777
Thank you for your reply!

I did not respond a while back because you ignored my post. You are more interested in propagating information than engaging in real dialog.

I have no idea which post I have ignored. Please provide a post number or link.

On your other points – yes, I do understand thermodynamic entropy v Shannon entropy v Kolmogorov entropy. Yes, I do understand the concept of spontaneous and non-spontaneous processes (and have used your refrigerator example several times to make the point, btw).

Wrt Dembski, I am a strong supporter of Intelligent Design arguments – I do not however believe that anyone mortal is infallible. IMHO, Dembski made two errors.

One, he introduced a new type of complexity (irreducible) which was not necessary and in doing so gave the anti-ID crowd something else to argue about. He could have used functional complexity to make the same point, for instance.

Two, he misappropriated the word “information”. Information is an action, not a message – the meaning or value of the message has no bearing at all on information theory. Claude Shannon is the “father” of information theory and that is his definition of the term. It makes a huge difference when arguing with bio/chemists who prefer to focus on the DNA (message) when the prime issue is the successful communication, the will to live – or as you prefer to argue it as a package, the non-spontaneous process.

2,297 posted on 02/22/2005 10:03:58 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2296 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson