[betty boop]

You aver that something carries the information, something made out of matter. But this is not in evidence at all. Harmonics or wave functions might be a channel for information – a vacuum field - the vibration of strings – the geometry which gives rise to strings – or perhaps interdimensional fluctuations or activity of virtual particles coming into/out of space/time.

Certainly there seem to be other candidates for information propagation/communication in the universe besides "something made out of matter." I wonder why some people insist that all there is, be reducible to "matter." I really don't understand this insistence. For would it be incorrect to say that "all matter is" is energy in a "condensed" form? And that there are forms of energy that seem to have independence from materialization at some fundamental level, for instance thoughts, or more precisely, ideas?

Just doing a little wool-gathering here, Alamo-Girl! Thank you so much for your excellent post.

[RightWhale]

all there is, be reducible to "matter."

Let's all work on what what 'matter' means. Some appear to be using a narrow definition.

[js1138]

I wonder why some people insist that all there is, be reducible to "matter." I really don't understand this insistence.

I can't understand why some people have a narrow definition of mater. If it interacts with matter, it is matter. We may not know what it is or know how to talk about it yet, but if we can detect the interaction we can study its properties.

If we can't detect the interaction then we have nothing to study and not a whole lot to talk about.