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To: bvw
If you replaced the sodium ions and chlorine ions with coins or spheres of equal size, weight and material properties, excepting only red and green colorant, then that probability you calcualted would be accurate.

No 'if' about it. It's the probability we use to calculate the entropy. Clearly, according to your logic, every single salt crystal in the world has been individually designed.

1,870 posted on 02/07/2005 1:00:05 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
The ions attract each other and more likely to pair off exactly this way then they are to remain singleton. Assuming we had orginally had Cl and Na in aqueous solution where they do form ions.

If it is cold enough to solidfy the Cl, and you make a dust of the solid phase Cl and Na so fine it is one atom grains and then mixed the Na and Cl together and magically came up with a salt cube of 1 gram, gee willikers your probability would be correct. That's ignoring van der walls and non-ionic bondings which I'm not running over to a chemistry book to look up. Is there a single atom Cl, or single atom Na in a solid dust form? That sounds strange. Maybe in a mass spectrometer, "vapor" deposition or something like that. But then the "intelligent designer" is very much in play -- that being the physical chemist and his toys.

As to the relation to entropy, you'll have to explain that more carefully in a bit more detail, I don't quite catch it.

1,871 posted on 02/07/2005 1:41:10 PM PST by bvw
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To: Right Wing Professor
Speaking of crystals...


1,872 posted on 02/07/2005 1:43:27 PM PST by js1138
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