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To: bvw
Showing "elements of design" is not design. A regular pattern occuring in random processes is not design. It is a regular -- symetric or spiral, and such -- pattern. It is a pattern.

Fine, it is a pattern. Define the difference between a pattern and a design.

What makes it "design" to you?

You're the one pressing the "intelligent design" idea. You tell me, how do you define "design"? What part of the universe exhibits signs of design? What are the designs? How have you eliminated the possibility that they were created without an intelligence's participation?

1,863 posted on 02/07/2005 11:24:40 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: WildHorseCrash
The fifty coins tossed on the table, all heads up. Exceedingly improbable for that to have occurred without design.

That is analogous to the fact that it is exceedingly improbable that you and I are here in this world today by random processes, and the observed fossil evidence, chemistry and known physics says that too. Of course, one may "believe" (btw "belief" is something I avoid) that mere possibility, not matter how exceeedingly unlikely is preferable to acceptance of an Intelligent Designer, but to accept such an exceedingly exceeedingly low probability chance I find, well, irrational.

1,864 posted on 02/07/2005 11:37:12 AM PST by bvw
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