[Alamo-Girl]

That WAS the topic of discussion. How the 2nd Law of THERMODYNAMICS was being twisted by the creationists.

Indeed, it was and is the topic of discussion.

The objection to evolution based on the Second Law of Thermodynamics will not be complete until we have thoroughly explained the thought experiment raised by betty boop on another thread:

Take a live albatross, a dead albatross and a 12 lb cannonball to the top of the Leaning Tower of Pisa and toss them over the side.

What happens next, i.e. the live albatross flying away, is what must be addressed before anyone can put the appeal to the Second Law of Thermodynamics in the "out" basket.

In sum, what is it about "life" that it should react so differently from death or non-life --- willfully choosing to live, operating molecular machinery, generating heat?

I've offered the historical perspective on "entropy" in the above post along with the Shannon-Weaver model as explanations.

I must head off to bed now and will be gone a big part of tomorrow but I look forward to reading y'alls comments and continuing this discussion later.

[WildTurkey]

The live bird flew away because he was smarter than the dumb creationist.

[js1138]

Take a live albatross, a dead albatross and a 12 lb cannonball to the top of the Leaning Tower of Pisa and toss them over the side.

This is really just a more sophisticated way of saying evolution theory must include abiogenesis.

[Right Wing Professor]

Take a live albatross, a dead albatross and a 12 lb cannonball to the top of the Leaning Tower of Pisa and toss them over the side. What happens next, i.e. the live albatross flying away, is what must be addressed before anyone can put the appeal to the Second Law of Thermodynamics in the "out" basket.

You have again confused the second law with one of Newton's laws, in this case the law of universal gravitation. The second law says nothing about the direction of motion of the albatross.