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Thank you for sharing your views!

However, the links are certainly not from websites that a Young Earth Creationist would use. The first source is the only one which might raise an eyebrow because it is "panspermia.org" - which embraces "cosmic ancestry" including the old age of the universe. Cosmic ancestry is roughly the same as astrobiology (NASA, etc.) Crick (of DNA fame) was a panspermia supporter.

The arguments of panspermiasts are however largely indistinguishable from Intelligent Design supporters - but that is not the issue we were addressing. The question was whether an appeal to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a valid objection to evolution theory. The panspermia page was selected for an overview to the general subject of entropy.

If you want to discuss science, you first need to learn science, NOT from philosophers who get their scientific definitions from a common dictionary.

But you have clouded the issue and also supported their side by using false science. Unless you are prepared to use REAL science, I don't believe discussing entropy with you will be productive.

You seem to believe that I am not using "real" science or math in my discussions of entropy - perhaps that the sources I have quoted are off the reservation of science.

Ok then, I am herein sending up the call to the most credentialed scientists and mathematicians on the forum. They stand as their own authority in their respective disciplines.

If they believe that my sources are bad or I am not understanding the material, then I will take my lumps and try to do better.

To all the experts I've pinged: the post in question is #1773 dealing with entropy and biological systems - for which there are five sources, one panspermia.org and the others http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov http://bayes.wustl.edu and http://www.arxiv.org.

The objection is to the sources (Schneider, Jaynes, Adami) and how I have interpreted them for the discussion.

My position all along is that the appeal to 2^nd Law of Thermodynamics to argue against evolution is invalid, that biological systems do not violate any physical laws, that the phenomenon of life which seems to work against thermodynamic entropy (emergence, autonomy, function, organization or complexification) is actually explained by another kind of entropy, Shannon entropy [Shannon-Weaver model, Schneider et al] - and possibly, down the road, algorithmic entropy.

But Alomo-Girl, the statements of the Second Law apply to OPEN systems. Take a look at the Clausius statement above. What does "other effect" mean?

Your distillation of life and functions and anatomy and change seems to be the result of perceived algorithms. Please provide the mathematic equation for the evolutionary developement of truth, beauty,justice,mind. There are a few others which I would like to have you expound upon. Now the purine and pyrimidine bases change to result in these qualities.................Just fill in the blanks with the algebraic equations. Thank you.