hysterical Darwinites panic

crosswalk ^ | 2004 | creationist

[bvw]

It is interesting that your own "quote-mined" post followed only one post after a fairly good discussion of quote mining in Junior's post. I hope you are not drawing and conclusions of anything but the weakest and most suspect of inferences from that list of mined quotes.

[bvw]

drawing ANY conclusions

[bvw]

You worked with extremely cold stuff? Liquid He and all that?

[WildTurkey]

Does the Second Law apply to open systems?

It applies to open, closed and isolated systems. It applies for reversible and irreversible processes.

[nasamn777]

I said:

I am neglecting the energy associated with the chemical bonding, but oftentimes even the bonding energy will later be liberated and dissipate as heat.

And you said:

You know, you might want to consider which vibrational-rotational states the reactants and products in the reaction are in as well ;-)

Yes, and I could solve Schrodinger's equation to figure this out, if the boundary conditions are provided, to show off my knowledge -- but this is excessive.

My point is related to thermodynamics concerning the direction of processes. The natural tendency is to increase the entropy and local decreases of entropy (moving away from equilibrium) only occur when the boundary conditions are controlled in some fashion. Typically complex boundary conditions require intelligence to setup.

[WildTurkey]

Does the Second Law tell about the direction of processes?

For natural processes, the entropy of the system tends to increase.

Does the availabiltiy of energy ensure that order can increase within an open system?

Related by S = k*ln(w).

[grey_whiskers]

Sorry 'bout that, nas...

My concern was with the word "later"--depending on the quantum state your products are in at the time they are produced, you might get your heat back "immediately".

Cheers!

[nasamn777]

See my last post. The flux of energy from the sun transports water from the tropics to the poles, where it condenses as ice, with a large decrease in entropy. No intelligence needed.

This is a spontaneous process and does not capture the thermodynamic problem related to life! Come on - you should know this!

[WildTurkey]

Interesting. Could you provide a link to the creationist website you pulled that off of?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your reply!

I have asked several to support similar claims but none can.

I thought the challenge was to support the claim of errors in the K-12 science textbooks. To that challenge I offered three links, all credible sources, showing an ongoing effort to find and correct such errors including errors pertaining to the theory of evolution.

[Right Wing Professor]

This is a spontaneous process and does not capture the thermodynamic problem related to life! Come on - you should know this!

There is no thermodynamic problem unique to life. I challenge you to find a generally respected source in the field of thermal physics or chemical themodynamics that states otherwise.

[WildTurkey]

Four times? You're still emotional. I said you are "emotionally dragging God into the debate

Here is your exact post. I fail to see where you said I was "emotionally dragging God". Notice also how you tried to inject racism as a personal slur against scientists.

"I am very happy to engage in a slow, offline debate about your religious arguments which do not belong in this thread. You are in danger of Moderators for bringing YOUR GOD AND MY GOD into this. (I capitalize only to hide what I am lowercasing.) I will repeat the question: Have you considered the cultural connection between evolution, racism and abortion? Clearly when you have you find it necessary to run six ways from Sunday in big red letters. More later."

[WildTurkey]

You are going in circles. You already presented "what you thought" and I have already countered that "what you thought" was not consistent with the issue of concern.

[WildTurkey]

You are forgetting your own quote of me in 1122.

1122, uh that is hundreds of posts after your original post to me about God AND my "quote" was from a post that was NOT to me nor was I pinged when you made that post. For you to pull that out as proof that you had NOT mischaracterized your post TO ME is, well, sort of, (fill in the blank) ______________.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your reply!

I have already countered that "what you thought" was not consistent with the issue of concern.

If you would care to articulate a specific issue you would like to see sourced, I'll be glad to look for credible websites/articles or report back if I cannot find any.