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Proof of ID
Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative
Excellent rant.
Well of course you are right about this, js1138. Human nature has always tended towards the corrupt, if history is any guide, especially if we look at the personal histories of certain great figures who have shaped human history on the grand scale.
On the other hand, there have been great historical figures who were not corrupt in the general sense; for they had found a moral compass that could hone into a "beyond," from the existential, natural world to its source; and then they let their finding be their guide. Thus is the moral sphere ever validated, down the ages. What they had discovered was incapable of falsification. (And thus not capable of verification.)
Plato was right: Indeed we do live in the metaxy, in the "in-between" of human existence -- in a tension of competing truths, to boil the problem down to its essence.
And that's why "the conversation of thoughtful minds must ever stay open." IMHO FWIW
LOL. I comment on something you brought up, and it's an "invalid" point. Totally transparent, of course, but amusing to watch you try to get your head above water nonetheless.
... equivalent to my noting that an evolutionist is the one emotionally dragging God into the debate.
LOL again. God was "dragged in" by the very article itself. If you object to that, take it up with the article's poster.
While they have in common that they are both control moves to point out logical fallacies, yours are notably lacking in science.
When you find any science to discuss, I'm sure I'll be around somewhere. In the mean time, you really ought to take up RWP's suggestion of a chemistry text, as what little science you've attempted thus far has been rather subpar. Logic texts, chemistry texts - if you're not careful, you may actually learn something around here, and then where will you be?
I leave you and your next snappy reply to the adults.
Oh, how I wish I could believe you.
Oh, yes - your Copi is four editions out of date. They're up to the 12'th now. I'm sure you'll want to alert the children's librarian at your earliest convenience, although I recommend against slipping a note written in yellow crayon into the suggestion box.
bad news betty; Phaedrus is still banned. I'm guessing he's simply still in your list somewhere, but I just checked. I do miss him fwiw.
He must have had a bad day that day ....
Do you have any famous Phaedrus threads you would recommend for some future date of review?
Betty, one other question: the 5th dimension stuff; would you please link to the 'good stuff' about that? I just read Ag's backdoor evolution article and was awestruck. Your component addition was essential. Thanks.
I have read with great interest your recent posts. I don't think they are structually capable of 'seeing' your argument. They are not crazy; they're just totally convinced the horizon at sea level really is just 12 miles away, rougly.
I find that somehow, we are not very effective getting thru with your above message, and any other like-minded messages. Poster JudyWillow offered a possible explanation a couple of weeks ago that has real merit in my view, as did poster, Elsie. No impact at all. Just lots of guffaws.
As another example, I posted my arguments regarding the Grand Unified Theory of Sex, and all the folks on the other side just snorted as well; a couple cautiously noted I may be on to something, but the rest referred me to that cultural icon of right wing thinking, Dr. Strangelove. (That movie goes a long way, actually to illuminating what is going on in the sense of Humor regions of some folks around here).
Anyway, the other side simply claims that YECs OECs, ID'ers, whatever the stripe, we are all a great and horrible kind of blight in the serene unspoiled forest of true conservative chestnuts. They are the self-designated pest eradicators.
But 2AtHomeMom, I think those ChestNuts need to really start getting a bit more fair and open up about the moral, er, amoral agenda that fuels their, how shall I say it, over-enthused response against folks like us.
But, don't hold your breath. One of them is willing to visit extreme atheistic far left AnTi-Bush web sites to pull stuff down that attacks Christians who question evo.
And if they're willing to bed w/ leftists to defeat ID'ers, what does that really imply about how they view the bed to begin with?
You had me until the end....
Fair enough.
1) Evolution is "JUST" a theory (implying that it has no scientific backing)
2) The Second Law of Thermodynamics makes evolution impossible. (along with all their fake science distortions of entropy.
3) Schools teach evolution as fact, not theory.
4) Man descended from the ape.
5) There is no fossil evidence of evolution.
6) It is impossible for the Colorado River to have carved the Grand Canyon.
7) There is no evidence that the humans existed prior to 6000 years ago.
8) Radiometric dating is a false sciece used by evolutionists.
9) Genesis is true therefore evolution is false (no, we will never get by this one)
10) All non-Christians are doomed to hell.
11) Enough for now.
Thanks! I passed it along to an ID'er that seems to want to help us get past the nonsense!
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#1032 was supposed to go to you but I goofed.
Phooey!
All the newbies have dropped out by now......
btw, given your sign up date, I'm guessing you were banned and given relief; mind telling me which thread to check out so that I can be 'aware' of what line not to cross?
Oh, one other thing: you likely know of this, but it is just a reference for you in case you didn't. It is relevant to some of your central points that prompted me to post to you to start with (and of course, it undergirds your points):
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
Still sore that your false entropy proof was so badly tossed in the trashcan?
I really am amazed at how "Christians can lie so easily.
You know, it is common practice and good manners to ping another when you reference him in a post. Since you have only been here one day, you are forgiven.
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