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Michael Medved and Andrew Sullivan discussing Abraham Lincoln's alleged homosexuality - NOW
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Posted on 01/28/2005 1:11:25 PM PST by EveningStar

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To: My2Cents

What were the rumors about Buchanan?


21 posted on 01/28/2005 1:20:55 PM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: EveningStar

I'm a great fan--I'd be willing to do it. How do you start a ping list?


22 posted on 01/28/2005 1:21:46 PM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: ladtx

Uh oh....I can see the Photoshopped product now...


23 posted on 01/28/2005 1:21:50 PM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: zygoat

sullivan can't leave his friends "behind"....


24 posted on 01/28/2005 1:22:50 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Thanks America for not slapping us in the face again.)
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To: EveningStar

25 posted on 01/28/2005 1:24:56 PM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: EveningStar

Oops, Andrew's gone.


26 posted on 01/28/2005 1:25:26 PM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: beaversmom

James Buchanan was not close to anyone except Senator William Rufus DeVane King of Alabama, his long term roommate. In some correspondence of the time, their contemporaries refer to Senator King (who was later Vice President in the Pierce Administration) by the moniker of "Aunt Nancy". Also, Buchanan's one time fiancee died after a fit of hysterics - we do not know what brought this on.

Regards, Ivan


27 posted on 01/28/2005 1:25:44 PM PST by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: beaversmom

Buchanan had a male roommate in Washington and was never married, but without evidence, I don't think one should assume that any sex was involved.


28 posted on 01/28/2005 1:25:52 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: beaversmom

Post an announcement to that you are starting a Michael Medved ping list. Then search for Medved threads. Select names from those thread and ping them, asking them if they would like to participate. Add those that do to your list.


29 posted on 01/28/2005 1:26:01 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: beaversmom

Still there.


30 posted on 01/28/2005 1:26:55 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

one guy found some records where abe slept in a hotel with some man. And this proves exactly what?? Just silly.


31 posted on 01/28/2005 1:27:50 PM PST by genghis
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Heard the historian Cowin-Goodwin (spelling?) on Imus this week discussing this claim. She is a liberal who is writing a book on Lincoln. She said that part of the evidence for his being gay was that he shared his bed with other men when he was campaining. She said that men (and women) shared beds at the time because there were not enough beds to go around. Everyone did it.

One of our research assistants here told me that he was going skiing with a group of guys. They were all going to share the same room (and bed). He said that he was used to sharing other guys beds from his swim team competition while at University. He said "you just learn to sleep with four guys in the same bed. All the teams did". One day, someone will write a history of college competitions and conclude that .... I'll let you fill the blank. What can I say -pure liberal drivel.


32 posted on 01/28/2005 1:29:20 PM PST by ananda
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To: beaversmom
I don't subscribe to the rumors, but...

From The Chronicle of Higher Education, Oct. 15, 1999

Buchanan, gay? Who’d have thought?

Anyone who bothered to look into his living arrangements, says James W. Loewen, an adjunct professor of sociology at Catholic University. Of course, in his new book, Lies Across America: What Our Historic Sites Get Wrong (The New Press), Mr. Loewen is speaking of the first Buchanan with Presidential politics in his blood, James.

Mr. Loewen, author of the best-selling Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong (New Press, 1995), sets out in his new, self-described “rant” to dispel the myths that befog the American landscape. In a chapter titled “You’re Here to See the House,” he recalls asking a tour guide at Wheatland, Buchanan’s mansion near Lancaster, Pa., whether the 15th President was gay. “He most definitely was not,” came the outraged reply.

“Most likely was,” insists Mr. Loewen. Buchanan’s long-time living companion, William Rufus King, was referred to by critics as his “better half,” ‘’his wife,” and “Aunt Fancy.” Around Washington, the pair were known as the “Siamese twins,” slang at the time for gays and lesbians. And when King was appointed envoy to France, in 1844, Buchanan lamented to a friend that “I have gone wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any of them.”

The relationship may have been more than romantic. Mr. Loewen speculates that Buchanan, a native of a fiercely anti-slavery section of Pennsylvania, developed pro-slavery views out of sympathy with King, who served as a Democratic Senator from Alabama.

“It’s important to know that some of our leaders have been gay,” says Mr. Loewen, explaining why he outed a man often counted among the 10 worst Presidents. “To know that gay people did things, good things and bad things. You can’t just claim the heroes.”

Here's "the better half" himself, William Rufus King (you be the judge) --


33 posted on 01/28/2005 1:30:03 PM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: ananda

Sorry, I should have said that Corwin-Goodwin thought the claim was preposterous.


34 posted on 01/28/2005 1:30:46 PM PST by ananda
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To: EveningStar

If it is okay for the left to call Abraham Lincoln gay, not to mention other historical figures, why do they think it's so terrible for others to call SpongeBob SquarePants gay? (Not that anyone actually did, mind you....LOL!)


35 posted on 01/28/2005 1:31:37 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: beaversmom

Why is Medved forced to suffer the presence of sissyboy sulivan?

Medved is far and away superior to nobody sulivan. I looks like somebody is trying to build up the gravitas of the homo.


36 posted on 01/28/2005 1:34:02 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: beaversmom
Gays are going to make every historical figure gay now.

Been happening for years. The homosexual movement and their liberal allies in academia have been trying to claim just about every famous person from Jesus Christ onward was actually a closet homosexual. The evidence is usually fabricated or misconstrued. The most common example is when they take letters one man wrote to another and say "See, only two men 'in love' would write to each other like this". Of course they don't realize it was common speech back then and had no sexual connotation.

37 posted on 01/28/2005 1:34:07 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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Why is Medved forced to suffer the presence of sissyboy sulivan?

It's a chance for Medved to slap him around, without being called a "gay-basher."

38 posted on 01/28/2005 1:35:34 PM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: longtermmemmory

He's not forced to do it. Michael loves to debate.


39 posted on 01/28/2005 1:35:40 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

OKay, I guess I'll start a Medved ping list and try to figure it out. Anyone want to be on the ping list send me an e-mail.


40 posted on 01/28/2005 1:36:04 PM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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