Posted on 01/28/2005 9:35:32 AM PST by Eurotwit
A BURNING swastika was found on a grave in a Jewish cemetery in southern Sweden just hours after world leaders commemorated the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.
Police said the burning symbol of the Third Reich was discovered at a cemetery in Norrkoeping. "Someone gathered candles from the graves and shaped them like a swastika and lit the candles," said local duty officer Paer Aake Olsson.
"This is agitation against a religious group and is a crime ... We have gathered shoe prints from the area and have taken pictures of the grave, so we have the clues we need."
I think he's only serious in wanting to pick a fight.
Nor is every use innocent. Odd that you would chose to defend a burning symbol in a Jewish Cemetary to make your point. I think you like the idea of a burning swastika in a jewish cemetary, and like defending it too.
I think you are right--he doesn't respond to reason, and keeps repeating the same bs. Trolling for a fight. Who needs it? I'm off to another thread, care to join me?
BS, that's just another straw argument ,used by neo-nazis.
Strawmen like that are necessary to justify the accusation of whining Jews.
Someone took candles off the graves, and arranged a swastika on a Jewish grave out of respect. On the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz. I believe that. And the Kluckers are just putting up Christmas decorations.
I give you a link to a respected, legitimate source to substantiate my point and you call it BS.
I guess we're done here.
Lord I hope so.
Haahahah... He's going to take his ball and go away now...
As I have clearly said: if this was a swastika of burning gasoline poured on the grass I would not be saying that it might not be a hate crime. If this were in France or Belgium I wouldn't say this. But it is in Sweden where the swastika has historically been a good symbol dating back millenia before the advent of Hitler and his evil henchmen. I've also pointed out that the synagogue Beith Tefila in Gothenburg has swastikas on the front door as an example of such.
Since, as is your collective point of view, that any use of a swastika is a hate crime should the Jewish synagogue be destroyed and its members arrested for daring to defy your misconceptions?
Why not go to India and destroy every temple with a swastika on it? There's lots of them, by the way. Or go destroy the Laguna Bridge on the Hopi Nation. Why not destroy the Amiens Cathedral? Howzabout we burn some Buddhist Temples for having "NAZI!!!" symbols on them?
Why don't we just round up all of these people who are so offending you with their refusal to surrender their cultural icons to your hatred? Why don't we round them up, put them in camps, and gas them if they won't give up their non-Nazi swastikas?
You people are just as bad as the Nazis. You hate without even knowing what it is you hate. You don't even bother to look at the links I've posted that would show you that certain Scandinavians still consider the swastika as their own symbol and not a Nazi symbol.
Why not let us turn this around?
You put up a picture of the KKK appropriating a cross to burn as a symbol of hate. By your logic then, isn't ANY cross a symbol of hatred? Shouldn't we tear down each and every cross because of what that symbol meant to people oppressed, terrorized, and murdered by the people who used that symbol? C'mon, this is YOUR argument here.
So why is it that we can accept the cross as a symbol apart from the KKK who carry it as a symbol of hate to this very day - yet the swastika that was carried for a much shorter period as a symbol of hate *must* receive no tolerance? Why is it you cannot accept that there are people who don't care a whit about Naziism who use swastikas?
Aren't crosses an intolerable symbol of hatred? This is your logic, after all.
And don't give me some intellectually dishonest explanation that "it's different". It is not. A hate group appropriates a symbol and now it is lost forever to any other group?
Please.
Are you going to stop your children from enjoying rainbows because the homosexuals have appropriated the rainbow as a symbol of homosexuality?
Will mathematicians have to stop using the "=" sign because another queer group appropriated that?
Heck, a white power group called 'National Alliance' has used the Star of David in some of their sickening drivel. Should the Star of David be forever banned being as it has been 'tainted' by a hate group?
Of course not.
And there's no reason why people who have nothing to do with Nazis, the Klan, or any other offensive hate group should have to lose *anything* because of the actions of a bunch of despicable criminals.
Think about this: because of the Nazis you would hurt Native Americans, Hindus, Arabs, Africans, rural Europeans, Pacific Islanders, & etc.
Which is utter nonsense.
Which brings me full-circle back to my point that it is a fact (which I've substantiated) that some people in Sweden do not consider the swastika a bad thing.
If they did this out of ignorance (but meaning well) then they sure as heck need an education that while they have no issue with the swastika that Jewish people do.
If it proves out to be an act of hatred then I'm all for horsewhipping the clods who did it.
Their swastika was their flag. That they intentionally borrowed the trappings of ancient Rome, as well, and what they otherwise imagined were 'Aryan' symbol, is beside the point, in this case. Yes, the swastika, and those new replacements for it, should clearly be banned. I don't say they should be removed from museums, and studies of the era. I don't say photos should be removed from books reporting on the period. I don't say the films should be destroyed. I'm saying present public display of such hideous notions as represented by that flag should simply not be allowed. So the flag as the physical representation, itself, should not be allowed. If you'll recall, we beat the Nazis. Those of them who faded into the crowd and continued to promote their sect need to come to terms with that. They lost, in the bloodiest war in all of human history, much of it the blood of innocents cruelly executed by those who flew that flag.
Everyone in Sweden who opened a paper in the last week, would know what a Sawastika was used for by the Nazis.
The Vandals BROKE into a cemetary, desecrated commemoration candles, and put them into a symbol used by the Nazis. This was either the act of a complete RETARD, SPACE ALIENS, or Neo-Nazis.
Do you think that we are stupid?
Seriously..
Depending on what sort of comparison your history professor made, he may have been accurate in his depiction..
The "ignorance" defense is weak too. That the performers didn't know exactly what a svastika on a jewish cementery means is, at best, hard to believe. Context.
And thanks for hijacking the thread. Back to topic, I'll say cheers for the Sweden police and I hope the investigation is not just for show.
Stalin killed something like 12 million people..
Ford made millions of cars...
That is a distinct difference..
"Frankly, your comment about Jews needing to get over victimhood, says quite a bit about you."
Really? I ask: since Israel's inception in the face of tremendous hostility, have they ever lost an armed conflict? Never. Israel and her Jewish people have much, mcuh, more to proud of in their accomplishments since WW2 and they NEED to get over the victimhood since they are NOT victims anymore.
Israel's psychology of victimhood is arguably causing it to lose the peace to the Muslims who will stop at nothing to destroy Israel.
Israel & the Jews need to cut this crap out with identifying with the Holocaust and say "Never again!" by standing up with pride and beating the crap out of anyone who threatens them.
I look at Israel and the Jews the same way I look at the GOP and conservatives in America: they don't know how to act when they win.
"Yes, the swastika, and those new replacements for it, should clearly be banned."
Why should Hindus and other people who use this symbol have to lose it because of the Nazis? Should the cross be banned because of the Ku Klux Klan?
I work in a work place where Hindus from India often have swastika art in their cubicles. For that matter, the girl who gave me my coffee at the office cafe this morning, her name is 'Swastika'. We get the periodic complaints from folks here that Hindus should be more sensitive and stop using this symbol. And why? Hinduism has been around for 6,000 years and Naziism was around for 35. Hindus had nothing to do with the Holocaust and should not suffer the loss of a sacred symbol due to its misuse by the Nazis.
I can ping some Hindu folks to weigh in on this if you'd like.
Theosophists also employ the swastika, and are allowed to hang images of it in their cubicles. I've seen it. The Nazi flag is different, and easily recognizable. I'm surprized you don't recognize that fact.
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