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Crichton's "State of Fear" conclusions on global warming unjustified say scientists
Knight Ridder ^ | Thu, Jan. 27, 2005 | Seth Borenstein

Posted on 01/28/2005 7:29:42 AM PST by presidio9

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To: UlmoLordOfWaters
Does anyone here know of a good reference that honestly and intelligently discusses the issue of global warming?
I know people who whole-heartedly believe this theory and I need to read up on it.

No need to. Just get graphs of global temperatures for the last 12000 years, the last 100,000 years and the last 400,000 years, and see if anybody with two brain cells to rub together can assert that temperatures in any given location on earth should repeat exactly every year. Forever.

61 posted on 01/28/2005 11:40:13 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: UlmoLordOfWaters
Here are three threads that appeared on FR over the past few years. It should be a good start.

Cross-checking the Hockey Stick (Find this Global Warming article in your library?)

GREENHOUSE WARMING: A SHRINKING THREAT

The Indisputable Science of Global Warming: The Climes They Are A-Changin'

62 posted on 01/28/2005 2:39:03 PM PST by SWake ("Estrada was savaged by liars and abandoned by cowards." Mark Davis, WBAP, 09/09/2003)
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To: SWake
Thanks! I'll take a look as soon as I'm able. I'm so busy now with a big project now, my head is spinning.

Thanks again!
63 posted on 01/28/2005 3:24:26 PM PST by UlmoLordOfWaters
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To: presidio9; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
64 posted on 01/28/2005 10:56:26 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


65 posted on 01/29/2005 2:59:20 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: jalisco555

I could have personally lived without the cannablism...


66 posted on 01/29/2005 3:04:05 AM PST by SAMS
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To: OhioAttorney

He not only "drops" them in, he foot notes them. So, they are also very easy to confirm.


67 posted on 01/29/2005 3:04:58 AM PST by SAMS
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To: theFIRMbss

I thought that character was more of a cross between Martin Sheen (plays a pres on TV) and Ed Beagley..enviro whacko


68 posted on 01/29/2005 3:06:07 AM PST by SAMS
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To: SAMS

Ed Beagley..enviro whacko.....
__________________


That's who I pictured as I read the book. No Martin Sheen at all.


69 posted on 01/29/2005 3:10:11 AM PST by dennisw (Pryce-Jones: Arab culture is steeped in conspiracy theories, half truths, and nursery rhyme politics)
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To: SAMS
He not only "drops" them (scientific graphs and studies) in, he foot notes them. So, they are also very easy to confirm.

Take a look at the very long bibliography. Michael Crichton digested tons of material to write this book. Some books had to do with savagery in primitive tribes.

70 posted on 01/29/2005 3:13:56 AM PST by dennisw (Pryce-Jones: Arab culture is steeped in conspiracy theories, half truths, and nursery rhyme politics)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

I wonder if this the same group of scientists that in the middle 70s were predicting an earth cooling trend resulting in approaching ice age.


71 posted on 01/29/2005 3:18:30 AM PST by jwin
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To: presidio9; farmfriend; Carry_Okie; hellinahandcart
"On Friday, Crichton hits Washington, speaking to the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute..."

Heeeeeeeeeeere's an unbiased article. /s

72 posted on 01/29/2005 6:02:29 AM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: ancient_geezer; UlmoLordOfWaters

Ping!


73 posted on 01/29/2005 6:11:22 AM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: SAMS
>I thought that character was more of a cross between Martin Sheen [screwy politics] (plays a pres on TV) and Ed Beagley [techie environmental concerns] ..enviro whacko

I would never link
Begley and Sheen. Don't forget,
Crichton himself is

a New Age-type guy
(read his his non-fiction Travels).
Frankly, I believe

Crichton and Begley
are friends. They both signed off on
a dolphin letter:
-----------------------------------------------------

Dear President Clinton:

We are deeply troubled that your State Department is publicly committed to weakening the "dolphin-safe" tuna label to allow the chase, capture, injury, and killing of dolphins. Today, U.S. supermarket shelves carry only tuna caught without setting nets on dolphins. Foreign countries which continue to kill dolphins in order to catch tuna should not be allowed to flood our market with dolphin-unsafe tuna.

...
Please intervene to reverse this policy. Sincerely.

Eddie Albert, Alec Baldwin, Kim Basinger, Brigitte Bardot, Bob Barker, Daniel Benzali, Ed Begley Jr, Clint Black, Lorenzo Di Bonaventura, Pierce Brosnan, LaVar Burton, Nicolas Cage, Keith Carradine, Jim Carrey, Chevy & Jayni Chase, Toni Childs, Michael Crichton, Sean Connery, Ted Danson, Jean Paul DeJoria, Dick Donner & Lauren Shuler- Donner, Cary Elwes, Carrie Fisher, Michael J. Fox, Richard Gere, Brian James, James Garner, Larry Hagman, Tom Hanks, Woody Harrelson, Mariette Hartley, Tippie Herden, Don Henley, David Hoberman, Dustin Hoffman, Lauren Holly, Rand Holston, Peter Horton, Perry Katz, K.D. Lang, Stan Lee, Julian Lennon, Ray Liotta, Esai Morales, Peter Morton, Jerry & Ann Moss, Rupert & Anne Murdoch, Jack Nicholson, Gregory Peck, Joe Pesci, Michelle Phillips, Stephanie Powers, Mimi Rogers, Joel Schumacher, George C. Scott, Pauly Shore, Joel Silver, Alicia Silverstone, Keely Shaye Smith, Oliver Stone, Sharon Stone, Lily Tomlin, John Travolta, Betty White, Robin Williams, Robin Wright, Vilmos Zsigmond

74 posted on 01/29/2005 7:20:46 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss; farmfriend
"George C. Scott"

General Patton signed that piece of pap?!! He deserves a slap!!!

What an utter PANTLOAD!!!

75 posted on 01/29/2005 9:18:30 AM PST by SierraWasp (Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophisticated sophistry...)
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To: capt. norm
"Science by consensus is a liberal fantasy.

Exactly. I devoured this book on the way to the Inauguration and back. These scientists go for the popular vote method of science ... not the method used for scientific rigor.

76 posted on 01/29/2005 9:32:35 AM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: UlmoLordOfWaters

Satanic Gases. Don't know the author - he's been on KSFO a number of times, including with Brian Sussman, who is a meteorologist and recently left the the leftist world of Bay Area TV. Some of the inside stories he tells are fascinating!


77 posted on 01/29/2005 9:35:12 AM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: dennisw

I dunno. With all the drinking he did, Sheen came to mind and stayed there. :-)


78 posted on 01/29/2005 9:41:37 AM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: presidio9

“Wrong, wrong, wrong," said Martin Hoffert, a professor of physics at New York University. “The best face I can put on this is that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. The worst is that he’s intentionally deceiving people as he accuses environmentalists (of doing) in ‘State of Fear.’ "

Hmmm, seems pretty clear cut to me:

"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but - which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both." (Steven Schneider, Quoted in Discover, pp. 45-48, Oct. 1989; see also (Dixy Lee Ray in 'Trashing the Planet', 1990) and (American Physical Society, APS News August/September 1996).

 

"Scientists who want to attract attention to themselves, who want to attract great funding to themselves, have to (find a) way to scare the public . . . and this you can achieve only by making things bigger and more dangerous than they really are." (Petr Chylek, Professor of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, commenting on reports that Greenland's glaciers are melting. Halifax Chronicle-Herald, August 22, 2001)

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect"
(Richard Benedict, US Conservation Foundation)

 

"The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations [for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're basing them upon the climate models"
(Chris Folland, UK Meteorological Office)

"The trouble with this idea is that planting trees will not lead to the societal changes we want to achieve"
--(Kyoto Delegate, 05 December 1997)

 

"Researchers pound the global-warming drum because they know there is politics and, therefore, money behind it. . . I've been critical of global warming and am persona non grata."

Dr. William Gray
(Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado and leading expert of hurricane prediction )
(in an interview for the Denver Rocky Mountain News, November 28, 1999)

"The climate modelers have been 'cheating' for so long, it's almost become respectable."
Richard Kerr, discussing flux adjustments in climate models in Science, 1997

"Such [flux] adjustments are necessary due to deficiencies in both the atmospheric and oceanic models, especially in their parameterizations of sub-grid-scale processes."
Description of GFDL GCM

"Instead, we believe the problem resides in the computer models and in our past assumptions that the atmosphere is so well behaved. These models just don't handle processes like clouds, water vapor, and precipitation systems well enough to accurately predict how strong global warming will be, or how it will manifest itself at different heights in the atmosphere," remarked Spencer.
Is Earth's Temperature Up or Down or Both?; Feb 6, 1997 quoting Dr. Roy Spencer


79 posted on 01/29/2005 11:02:58 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Click graphic for full GW rundown

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



Very, very, very old story.
80 posted on 02/24/2007 1:06:24 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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