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The Branding of a Heretic
The Wall Street Journal and Discovery Institute ^ | January 28, 2005 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 01/28/2005 6:50:34 AM PST by Heartlander

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To: Heartlander

correction: no life AS WE KNOW IT.

you are slipping into projecting your observer bias into your data set. don't do it.


61 posted on 01/28/2005 6:09:58 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: VadeRetro

What do you call someone who spends his time (when not quote-mining) on computing the supposed odds against billions of isolated atoms from all over the universe randomly converging to create an amoeba?


62 posted on 01/28/2005 6:16:49 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: VadeRetro

Thank you for correcting the math…


63 posted on 01/28/2005 6:19:29 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: PatrickHenry
Not to answer a question with a question, but what did McCauliffe tell the Germans when surrounded at Bastogne and ordered to surrender?
64 posted on 01/28/2005 6:20:51 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry

An economist.


65 posted on 01/28/2005 6:24:43 PM PST by ml1954
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To: VadeRetro

Those poor bastards have us surrounded.


66 posted on 01/28/2005 6:41:35 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
That sounds more like the Chosin Reservoir battle.
67 posted on 01/28/2005 6:49:24 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Try letting science be science and religion be religion. Hello?

And when science becomes religion?

68 posted on 01/28/2005 6:54:23 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: ml1954
In other words, all unknown things, phenomenon, etc., are best explained by 'an unspecified designing intelligence' (=God) rather 'than by an undirected natural process'. We can't just say 'We don't know'.

So scientifically, all unexplained phenomenon are now attributed to 'an unspecified designing intelligence' and this attribution is called 'scientific'.

In other words...all that cannot be explained by science must 'scientifically' be attributed to God.

This is the usual attempt to drape religious beliefs in scientific robes. That is, all things that cannot be explained by science are by definition 'scientifically' attributed to 'an unspecified designing intelligence'. Sheesh. I have no problem attributing these things to 'God', but to say this is scientific is ignorant or disingenous and dishonest.

If they just said...all that is unkown is proof of God (the God of your choice, of course) then I'd be sympathetic. But to call it scientific proof, evidence, etc., is basically an attempt to forcefully and aggressively proselytize.

Well, d@mn, buddy (listen to that Southern accent!)! I like the way you think!

69 posted on 01/28/2005 6:56:43 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Heartlander

Please provide examples.


70 posted on 01/28/2005 6:59:13 PM PST by ml1954
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To: ml1954
Scientism
71 posted on 01/28/2005 7:28:23 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
...This is sometimes stated a bit differently as the momentum of a particle is the product of its mass and velocity,...

This has nothing to do with Heisenberg's relations. The rest of the article is just as bad.

...How could 'dumb' particles know that observers will be watching them in the future? ...

Anthropomorhizing inanimate objects isn't really part of physics. Here the author shows a misunderstanding about what QM actually says.

...it requires a conscious observer to collapse the wave-function...

A grain of salt will do.

72 posted on 01/28/2005 7:43:58 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
A grain of salt will do.

Yes, and if we were to take all that ‘science’ professes to have solved with a grain of salt our blood pressure would be extremely high. Science is wrong now about many things as it has been throughout history.

73 posted on 01/28/2005 7:50:46 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: js1138
What we do know is that the reviewers disagreed with the conclusions of the paper. That might have been a red flag to a careful editor.

Not all editors are careful. Some have an agenda; some are just careless.

A paper that I reviewed some time ago was still published even though I had recommended against it; there were incorrect mathematical statements; some made it into the published version. The authors tried to create a biased stream of bits by combining a random string (probability .5 for 0 and 1) with blocks of 1-bits. They claimed this would allow them to get any probability (false, exercise for the reader), and that the stream would look like random stream with non equal probabilities (false, exercise for the advanced reader.) This had little to do with the main point of the paper (parallization of some Monte Carlo code), but one never knows what a reader will try to use from an article.

74 posted on 01/28/2005 7:53:19 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Heartlander

bump


75 posted on 01/28/2005 7:53:58 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: RightWhale

The map may not be the terrirory but it should be a faithful representation thereof.


76 posted on 01/28/2005 7:57:41 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: VadeRetro

Someone seems to have studied only the first unit of probablity theory.


77 posted on 01/28/2005 7:59:43 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
A grain of salt will do.

"I can collapse that wave function in...one atom, Tom!"

78 posted on 01/28/2005 9:11:46 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist

...he said, measuredly.


79 posted on 01/28/2005 9:33:07 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry
He is also a Fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design (ISCID), which promotes intelligent design, and serves on the Editorial Board of the Baraminology Study Group, a creation science group.

So, Sternberg basically lied to the WSJ. Interesting.

80 posted on 01/29/2005 1:24:01 AM PST by Stultis
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