Posted on 01/28/2005 5:41:03 AM PST by Pharmboy
Rick Dembow January 28, 2005 -- A stunning 28-year-old actress died in her fiancé's arms yesterday after a Lower East Side thug answered her challenge — "What are you going to do, shoot us?" — by firing a single bullet into her chest, cops said. Nicole DuFresne, of Brooklyn, had just left a trendy bar with her fiancé and another couple when they were confronted at about 3:15 a.m. by four muggers — two men and two women — at the corner of Clinton and Rivington streets, police said. One of the thugs, who was carrying a gun, demanded money. DuFresne's fiancé, Jeffrey Sparks, 28, not seeing the mugger had a gun and not taking the request seriously, tried to push past the man.
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"...She had 'solidarity' with the underclass, but when they wanted her money, she had disdain and sarcasm..."
Excellent observation from the story. This was just a small-scale version of the behavior exhibited by "compassionate" lefties living in their walled compounds. They're all about keepin' it real with the homies until they need to get back in their expensive German sedans and drive back to suburbia.
This woman proves that common sense ain't so common...too bad she had to pay the ultimate price.
~ Blue Jays ~
It depends. If I can manage a way to shoot the thug then I'll do so. The thug though has no honor and can not be trusted.
You have to be almost neitzchian when dealing with a thug.
Anyone can be. We simply choose not to. The price you pay for choosing not to can be the same as this woman's murder who died largely because she refused to believe that such people exist.
Some people have the "panic gene" or whatever you want to call it, that can't be trained out of them. Neither is everyone suited for taking another person's life.
Again, I believe this to be a choice more than a set-in-stone reality. For all her political viewpoints, I really wish it was the young thug lying dead on the street instead of this woman. I really wish enough people in NYC gave a d@mn about their own lives to take crime and criminals seriously instead of playing mind games and hypotheticals with animals like this one that infest that city.
The Gun would have probably killed her one night when she was home alone - defenseless!! You know how much your risk goes up from having a gun in your house!!
What's needed are very well armed volunteers to go into these areas in the wee hours and begin capping this vermin. Set 'em up, and knock them down. Oh, and leave a bag of doughnuts for the chalk-outline crew.
"Why I never stay out past midnight any more."
I live in this neighborhood and often walk around at two in the morning. Despite what people are saying it is really a safe neighborhood and there are always other people walking around this time of night. I'm sure that whoever did this was caught on a security camera somewhere and will get what's coming to them.
All true.
Who do you think would get mugged first, the man that looks scared and crosses to the other side of the street in a hurry or the guy that looks aware, firm, yet not in a confronting manner?
I'm trying to understand why you asked the question. You basically said the same thing that I said.
I am assuming that you are leading me into answering that the "guy that looks aware, firm, yet not in a confronting manner" guy is less likely to be mugged.
As you said, the mugger is looking for the victim that will present him the least amount of problems. Once you have been chosen, a wise person is constantly calibrating his/her actions to the circumstances. If you force the bad guy to show he has balls enough to shoot you, that is probably a miscalibration on your part.
There's a difference between a looking at him with confrontational stare and keeping your head high and eyes straight ahead. You can maintain a situational awareness with peripheral vision and your eyes in the general area of the bad guy's chest.
Maintaining a gaze into the bad guy's eyes is likely to be perceived as confrontational. It will likely bring about a reaction of him becoming more aggressive or retreating. It will not likely cause him to become neutral to your gaze.
Man you are a predators DREAM. It is victims like you that allow this kind of shit to continue. STAY away from where men congregate in the Red states.
Caught? Yes.
Prosecuted? No.
The liberal judiciary in NYC will ensure that the perp will:
1. Get off on a technicality, or
2. Have no substantial evidence extant to try him, or
3. Reduce any sentence to merely "time served," or
4. Be sent to "Juvi" for a year.
New Yorkers should be so proud of the system they have voted into existence.
If he was a perp or that he just wanted to get away from some crazed tourist, I'll never know but I do know the desired effect was accomplished.
That is a different scenario. You may have been chosen to be on the menu, but it had not been acted upon.
Don't get me wrong. There certainly are times for aggressive action. Unarmed with a gun in your face is just not one of them. Unless of course it seems to be your only chance to get out of the situation alive.
I don't agree. Draw your gun and kill the thug first is how it should have went and would have went if NYC didn't effectively disarm their citizens. Perfect example of being unarmed, you are at the mercy of any a**ho** with a weapon. I would bet that this guy would have shot someone anyway, he was just looking for an excuse to show off to his homies.
When I did my paper on osteoporosis , I learned that a broken hip or leg fracture can be a death sentence for an older woman. It's the "prolonged bed rest that can lead to to blood clots and pneumonia"-per my paper.( On which I got an A. :-) Don't know if that was the case for the OP's mother.)
That's my rule for dealing with a mugger when unarmed. Please see my other posts on this thread and you will see that we absolutely agree.
"...If I swat it away, I'll step off the line of force, draw my 1911 and fire three or four rounds from a retention position, ala the character Tom Cruise played in 'Collateral'..."
Classic gunfighting move in that movie. In that circumstance, the character played by Tom Cruise truly created the element of surprise with the multiple dirtbags. I suppose the rhetorical question becomes could one perform those movements smoothly and with dexterity while under stress?
I've also been trained on stepping off the line of force...it is a great tool to have the assailant's efforts working against him or her.
~ Blue Jays ~
This woman had only been in NY for 2 years and she and her friends were seen as easy targets. Drunk, white and clueless at 3 am on the lower east side. They were a statistic waiting to happen. The NYPD will catch the perps, however.
I think we are saying the same thing basically.
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