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So will you mind when someone helps himself to your car? Suddenly, I think the law will matter to you then.

That is an apples and oranges comparison. Speeding is a crime, downloading MP3s is a crime, women and blacks voting used to be a crime, and trespassing is a crime. Perhaps you mean to use the old tired rhetoric that illegals a purported to use a disproportionate amount of federal spending. By the same logic I should demand sanctions against overweight smokers like myself who aledgedly use a disproportional amount of healthcare dollars.

It is sad to see 40 years of rat rule has many people who call themselves conservative fretting over their teet on federal sow. I see it from at least one Freeper at every immigration thread I read. Many of the same fringers who complain about expansive government want government to restrict immigration to prop up inflates wages for unskilled Americans and raise taxes on imported goods. Unfortunately for the isolationist wing of the party the economy is doing well and I expect it to improve over the next 5 years. As the economy grows I expect Dubya and the congress to limit the growth of government. Psst, the Deficit’s Shrinking

The influence of anti immigration groups is at its zenith. They always come out when the economy takes a downturn. In 2 years the issue would fade no matter what action is taken to stem illegal immigration. I expect we will see a guest worker program that will register about 5-7 million illegals who can show a consistant work history, ties to the community, and good criminal records. They will be enticed to register with Social Security benifits. There will also be expansions of legal immigration. Then will come a comprehensive crack down on illegals and their employers...after the government has used necessary means to enable hard working illegals to volunterally register with the government.

If this works as I expect it should, good workers will be registered and make the job of removing the remaining illegal much easier. If immigration is expanded more Latinos will enter legally, and the isolationist wing of the party will have to go back under their rock for a long time.

"Speeding is a crime, downloading MP3s is a crime, women and blacks voting used to be a crime, and trespassing is a crime."

Illegal immigration and hiring illegal immigration is a crime. And are you seriously comparing those laws to keeping the franchise from blacks ans women?

"Many of the same fringers who complain about expansive government want government to restrict immigration to prop up inflates wages for unskilled Americans and raise taxes on imported goods."

If protective tariffs were good enough for the Founding Fathers, they're good enough for me.

"The influence of anti immigration groups is at its zenith. They always come out when the economy takes a downturn."

You just said the economy was improving. Yet the immigration issue has never received so much attention as it has now. According to your formulation, this should not be so.

"Then will come a comprehensive crack down on illegals and their employers"

Just like the one that happened after 1986? Where has the administration been willing to comprehensively crack down on employers of illegals? Will that desire just suddenly appear from the ether?

"I expect we will see a guest worker program that will register about 5-7 million illegals who can show a consistent work history, ties to the community, and good criminal records."

I take it the "good criminal record" will ignore the crime of illegally crossing our border and illegally working here? Are there other laws that they can break and get a pass on?

Secondly, what about their criminal records in their home countries? Wouldn't a country like Mexico have an incentive to sanitize the records of those heading north in order to rid itself of undesirables? Or what if some enterprising civil servants begin selling clean background checks? I know, I know. The idea of corruption in Mexico is laughable, right?

"If this works as I expect it should, good workers will be registered and make the job of removing the remaining illegal much easier."

The constant refrain that we hear today is that we cannot expect to deport millions of illegals. Do you honestly think that if the guest workers are less than sanguine about going home (and totally ignoring the problem of anchor babies that can tie the guest workers to this country), we will suddenly see a will deport these millions of people?