Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration

NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

[bayourod]

Post 283 idiot! You shouldn't post while drunk or stupid.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Post 283 idiot! You shouldn't post while drunk or stupid.

Umm Dorothy, Ronald Reagan's quote is post #262. Now quit talking about yourself, read it, then tell us what you think.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Your response in 283 was a joke. You completely danced around the fact Reagan supported tough measures against employers, not rewards disguised as compassion.

[JustAnotherSavage]

Jan. 28, 2005 NEW POLL UP!

This poll refers to an ID # given by the IRS for Federal tax purposes only. At least 5 states are accepting this ID card to give social services, registering to vote, even sell property to Illegal Aliens. Financing institutions love it and make excuses that "it should be" legal.

Do you believe state governments should allow illegal aliens to use a federal identification number to obtain rights intended for U.S. citizens?

Yes 6% 156 votes

No 94% 2650 votes

Total: 2806 votes
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/


The show will air again later, it's worth watching tonight!

[JustAnotherSavage]

"I suspect that the CBP is a little smarter than you give them credit for."


Border council calls Bush plan 'slap in the face'
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published January 12, 2004

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The National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol´s nonsupervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States."
    The agents are told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn´t serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.
    "Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb´ to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Mr. Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don´t be confused and call this an 'amnesty,´ even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here.
    "The president assures us that it´s not an amnesty," he said.
    On Wednesday, Mr. Bush proposed sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card.
    The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.
    Mr. Frecker told the agents that the Bush proposal, if approved, would result in increased illegal immigration at the nation´s borders.
    "While you´re out there trying to do your jobs, which the country isn´t too serious about, you´ll have to deal with the expected increase in attempted (illegal aliens), who are trying to get here to take advantage of the proposed amnesty oops, earned legality," Mr. Frecker said.
    "Those who are waiting to sneak in will be allowed to come as 'temporary (yeah, right) guest workers,´" he said. "Well, first they need to find a willing employer who´ll offer them a job at minimum wages after he claims he just can´t find a legal worker to take the job. Then the poor employer is just going to have to go outside the U.S. to find his workers. Those darn Americans just don´t want to work." ---snip----
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040112-123623-1914r

[PRND21]

The National Border Patrol Council...

You think that union has your best interests at heart? Any union?

[bayourod]

The couincil is a government employees labor union.

[investigateworld]

RE:"...think that union..."
Yep

Don't attack the messenger, by doing so, one sorta admits their holding a losing position.

[PRND21]

Are you a Bushbot?

Are you a Hillbot?

[PRND21]

Don't attack the messenger, by doing so, one sorta admits their holding a losing position.

Unions deserve atacking, in my opinion.

[skeeter]

Those who know him only from history don't have the faintest clue about the man.

Reagan never let his 'compassion', as you call it, get in the way of his respect for the law, let alone doing what he knew was right. Your appropriation of him here is obscene.

I know a little about the guy, since he was also my governor for 8 years.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

The couincil is a government employees labor union.

So, this has come from a dreaded union member oh my.

Can you please tell us what isn't true in this statement? Regardless of where it came from it's right on the money if you ask me.

"Those who are waiting to sneak in will be allowed to come as 'temporary (yeah, right) guest workers,´" he said. "Well, first they need to find a willing employer who´ll offer them a job at minimum wages after he claims he just can´t find a legal worker to take the job. Then the poor employer is just going to have to go outside the U.S. to find his workers. Those darn Americans just don´t want to work."

[investigateworld]

Gotcha, some do.
But flooding our borders will end up with more gov't union employees vs. sealing the borders. Look at the hugh number of illegals taking up space in the Cali joints (at $40,000 per head)
In this case they're right, and I'm certainly happy they are being out front with the American people.

[rottndog]

"Post 283 idiot! You shouldn't post while drunk or stupid."

You can't address the substance of his point,hence you have no merit in your argument.

You revert to name calling in an attempt to keep from addressing the substance of his point, hence you are a coward.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Hell of a ping list there.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Typical behavior from bayourod, suprisingly there hasn't been much in the way of "racist" or "xenophobe" yet. Must be frustrating for him when there's millions of illegal aliens to defend; so many threads, so little time.

[radicalamericannationalist]

"The couincil is a government employees labor union."

So unions are the enemy. I suppose this includes the Arizona Police Association which endorsed Bush last year? http://www.azpolice.org/2004%20Political%20Endorsements%20-%20General%20Election.pdf

Or the Baltimore police union that supported Ehrlich in his election? http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.ehrlich23oct23%2C0%2C5808597.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

Or the Uniformed Firefighters Association of Greater New York? And the 44% of the International Association of Fire Fighters who identify themselves as Republicans? How about the 87% of that union that identify themselves as conservative? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6066566

Or the 37% of all union members who voted for Bush in 2000? http://www.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=37620

Why are unions and the rank and file welcomed to vote for Republicans in election but then treated like pariahs once they've done their jobs and punched their ballots?

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Only those unions who push for higher wages and worker protections are the enemy apparently.

Some unions are corrupt and ask way too much from companies but on the other hand many of the workers in them are conservatives who consistently vote GOP and will be devastated financially if this guest worker program ever becomes law.

[radicalamericannationalist]

You hear Rush today? Even he says he doesn;t buy the "We need illegals" argument any more. He specifically cited the scaling down of American wages that would follow from importing a huge Third World labor force.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

You hear Rush today? Even he says he doesn;t buy the "We need illegals" argument any more.

No didn't hear Rush but that's good he's coming around. He has the largest listening audience in the country and I think knows how most of them feel about this issue.