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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Reaganwuzthebest; skeeter

Ronald Reagan
Oct 30, 1984
Today we're part of a coalition of people who share some values that are traditional to America. Whether our forefathers and mothers came here from a Latin country, or from Africa, or from Asia, or from Europe -- in my case, I guess it's Europe, Ireland and England -- we hold dear those ideas that brought our forebears here. We're bound together by a love of family and neighborhood and a respect for God. We believe in hard work and peace through strength. And these are not Republican values, these are American.
Our opponents don't seem to see things this way. They view our country not as people of varied backgrounds who share common values and aspirations; instead, they see us as warring factions and interest groups. They try to divide us, using envy, and playing people off against each other by telling us we're competing for a piece of a pie that is ever getting smaller. Well, that's not our way. We don't see people as members of this group or that; we see them as Americans, with all the rights and opportunities that go with being American.
And about that pie -- we also believe that we should work together to make a bigger pie, so everyone can have a bigger slice.
We still believe in the dream that brought people here from every corner of the Earth. Today we're reaching out as never before to people from every background to draw them into our coalition for progress. Our message to America is clear and direct: The Grand Old Party now stands for the Great Opportunity Party. And there's plenty of room for everyone. We aren't writing any group off or taking any group for granted. We're asking all of you to come walk with us down a path of hope and opportunity.


301 posted on 01/28/2005 2:47:03 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: investigateworld
California may have some disastrous tax laws, but they can correct that it they recognize what their problems are and stop blaming Hispanics.

Texas has about a 40% Hispanic population, no problems with social services or schools or hospitals or gangs. Texas has low taxes, low cost of living and a $6.5 Billion state surplus.

Instead of complaining about immigrants bringing down the academic achievement scores, Texas educates them to be labor force ready and lures companies away from California with lower taxes and a better labor market. Businesses pay the taxes that allow us to educate immigrants who then attract more businesses who pay more taxes .....

Oh, in all fairness to California I should give them credit for their Three Billion Dollar embryonic stem cell program.

302 posted on 01/28/2005 2:58:52 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: skeeter
Read the first half dozen quotes from Reagan on my profile page and note how many times Reagan uses the word compassion. The term "compoassionate conservatism" was used frequently duriung his administration.

I held positions in all three Reagan campaigns and was a strong supporter. Reagan was not the hard mean man that revisionist like Buchanan try to paint him to be.

Reagan was the epitome of compassion. In person the compassion and strong determination to make peoples' lives better was overwhelmingly apparent.

Those who know him only from history don't have the faintest clue about the man.

303 posted on 01/28/2005 3:05:27 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: american spirit
"families who've had loved ones raped, robbed, maimed and murdered by illegals. "

If you are talking about California's crime problem or the crime problem of certain other localities, those are not immigration problems, they are local crime problems that need to be addressed by local law enforcement officials. Other cities and states with just as many illeagls don't have the same crime problem. Cities with high ratyes of crimes by illegals will also have high rates of crime by legals. Some cities in California simply don't like cops or law enforcement. They'd rather send their tax dollars to Asia to flood victims.

304 posted on 01/28/2005 3:12:04 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bayourod
Great speech, however Reagan was referring to legal immigration. He still believed we had a right and a duty to control our borders and enforce the laws against those here illegally.

Your posts consistently excuse the activities of illegal aliens and the businesses who hire them. Again I invite you to read post #262 on what Reagan felt about that.

305 posted on 01/28/2005 3:21:35 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Reagan granted all illegals amnesty.


306 posted on 01/28/2005 3:36:15 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bayourod

In effect your saying: Smack down Hispanics and they'll behave? You've mentioned the staffing of LAPD vs. Houston PD, so I think that's what your stating? I personally think California is beyond hope, but plenty of people want to live there. That's OK with me, I still have a couple of First TD's there. The best thing Dubya could do for Mexico is seal the borders and let Mexico have their long over due revolution. Having a festering sore next door to our nation is not good for us in the long run. Forgive my faulty brain as I can't remember the name of the gang from Texas, but when they showed up in Cali, all the 'homeboys' would lay low.


307 posted on 01/28/2005 3:38:14 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: taxed2death
"we should cut funding for social services like schooling, housing, welfare, etc for these illegal trespassers"

Fine by me.

308 posted on 01/28/2005 3:39:18 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bayourod
Reagan granted all illegals amnesty.

Not really, just some of the farmworkers. Or that's who it was intended for prior to the massive fraud. But even so it was a compromise that he agreed to in a bill which included massive numbers of new border control guards and tough employer sanctions. It was also supposed to be a one-time only deal.

It's very telling how you insist on ignoring his various statements on the need to control the borders for purposes of sovereignty with strong penalties against those who hire the illegals. Yours and the Wall St. Journals and Bush's position on this issue are 180 degrees different then his.

309 posted on 01/28/2005 3:46:42 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: investigateworld
"In effect your saying: Smack down Hispanics and they'll behave? "

In Texas we believe in smacking down anyone who isn't behaving. Drugs and gangs are criminal problems, not immigration problems.

As long as California continues to treat them like immigration problems instead of crime problems they'll continue to exist.

I'm amazed at how many FReepers from California whine about gang crime problems and call Bush a traitor, but have never even thought about putting the blame where it belongs---on their own police.

310 posted on 01/28/2005 3:47:02 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"just some of the farmworkers"

Where did you get that? The only condition I remember was the time consideration.

Do you have a source or is that something you just made up?

And Reagan didn't do it as a compromise with Democrats, he did it because he thought it needed doing. You may have Bush Sr.'s tax increase in mind.

311 posted on 01/28/2005 3:51:32 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"you insist on ignoring his various statements on the need to control the borders for purposes of sovereignty with strong penalties against those who hire the illegals. "

Ignore them? I've never heard them. Can you provide some of them?

312 posted on 01/28/2005 3:54:11 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bayourod
First, I never stated Dubya is a traitor. But as you can see from various published statistics, Cali has the largest numbers of immigrants from third world countries. In case you haven't noted these folks do burn up a lot of public services.
Any Sheriff or Chief that got on the tail of these bangers would be gone in a heart beat.
But I am confused why Dubya is buying into the Democrat's dream.....more poor people here to run up public spending?
313 posted on 01/28/2005 4:00:00 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: bayourod
If you follow immigration as you pretend to you'd know the 1986 amnesty was intended for primarily agricultural workers. Here's a link to refresh your memory:

Guest Worker Proposal Threatens the American Dream

"No doubt, as in the 1986 amnesty program for agriculture workers, Bush's Guest Worker program would rely on employers' self-serving attestations. Even that amnesty program's sponsor, Charles Schumer (D-NY) admitted that fraud occurred in at least 2/3 of the hires."

I'm still waiting patiently for you to comment on his belief employers should be penalized in the future, not rewarded for illegal activity as you obviously desire.

314 posted on 01/28/2005 4:02:26 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: bayourod
Ignore them? I've never heard them. Can you provide some of them?

Post #262 for starters, it's only been pointed out to you 20 times now. Read it.

Ronald Reagan:
"This country has lost control of its borders..."
"A nation without borders is not a nation."

Can you point me to any quotes Bush or his father has said that even comes remotely close to that?

315 posted on 01/28/2005 4:06:44 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"I'm still waiting patiently for you to comment on ..."

I did. If you didn't like my comment or don't think it was on point, please stop playing juvenile games and specify exactly what you are asking me.

316 posted on 01/28/2005 4:08:25 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Reagan's amnesty program was not limited to agricultural workers, even if most of the illegal immigrants were working in agriculture at that time, and even if the main proponents were Republicans from ag states. It was open to anyone who met the length of time in country qualification.
317 posted on 01/28/2005 4:11:42 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bayourod
I did. If you didn't like my comment or don't think it was on point...

Where is it, post #, proof please. I didn't see anything. Looks to me as if you're dancing around it in the usual bayourod way. Anything to find excuses for the criminal activity of millions of lawbreaking invaders and those who hire them.

318 posted on 01/28/2005 4:16:58 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: bayourod

There was a time limit of 1982, however it was a one-time only deal coupled with strong enforcement provisions in the future. I'm still waiting for Bush to enforce them. Neither he, his father or Clinton seem to believe it's very important.


319 posted on 01/28/2005 4:19:42 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Once-Ler
Some rats will vote with the President

"Some"? LOL.

This will be like CFR.

320 posted on 01/28/2005 4:21:01 PM PST by Missouri
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