"There was never a time when the Son did not exist. But there was certainly a time that Jesus did not exist. You cannot claim otherwise without calling the Incarnation a sham."
Seem to be contradicting your own earlier posts here. Son/Jesus/Word. Same thing. Different Form. So we agree?
I have no idea if we agree or not. Show me where I contradicted myself in an earlier post. What I suspect is that you didn't read carefully enough.
>> Same thing. Different Form. <<
Ice is water. You can walk across ice. You can't walk across water. Water feels good splashed on your face. Ice is cold and it hurts. Even though ice is water, you'd sound silly trying to assert that the ice on the nearby pond ws there last August.
Jesus is Christ made man. Christ has always been. But Christ has not always been in the form of man. Hence, Jesus has not always been. When he went to the Temple with his parents, Jesus was twelve years old. That means that fourteen years earlier, Jesus was not, even though Christ was.
Just like Ice is water made solid. The water has been in the pond for years, but the ice has not been.
Jesus is in Heaven, at the right hand of God. Referring to his human form, He told the disciples he was going away: "Where I am going, you cannot follow." But Christ is with us forever.