[maestro]

ur# 98....

Jesus is the Christ, and his age is about 2,000 years. Jesus is the incarnation of the eternal Word, the second Person of the Trinity, present with the Father at the creation. It's the incarnation that happened in time at a definite point. Prior to this time God was not also Man. Subsequently he is, and will be forever.

.....better, 'present with the Father since BEFORE the creation.'

ie. There NEVER was a time when Jesus was NOT!

Jesus too is Almighty God,.....The ETERNAL ONE!

[Romulus]

I resisted the expression "before" the creation as contradictory. There was never a "before" because there was no time existent to contain sequential events.

There NEVER was a time when Jesus was NOT!

Excuse me, but the tremendous significance of the Incarnation rests on the fact that God became man in time. There was a second Person of the Trinity before this time, but there was no Jesus.

[eastsider]

There NEVER was a time when Jesus was NOT!

There never was a time when the Word -- i.e., the Divine Person -- was not because there never was a time when the Divine Nature was not. But there definitely was a time when Jesus was not because there was a time when the Word's human nature was not.

[Remole]

I am sorry, but you are wrong, and Romulus is right. "Jesus" (the Word Made Flesh) began to exist at a specific moment in human history, roughly 2009 years ago.