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Shroud of Turin: Old as Jesus?
THE NEW YORK TIMES ^ | January 27, 2005 | NA

Posted on 01/26/2005 10:37:01 PM PST by neverdem

The Shroud of Turin is much older than the medieval date that modern science has affixed to it and could be old enough to have been the burial wrapping of Jesus, a new analysis concludes.

Since 1988, most scientists have confidently concluded that it was the work of a medieval artist, because carbon dating had placed the production of the fabric between 1260 and 1390.

In an article this month in the journal Thermochimica Acta, Dr. Raymond N. Rogers, a chemist retired from Los Alamos National Laboratory, said the carbon dating test was valid but that the piece tested was about the size of a postage stamp and came from a portion that had been patched.

"We're darned sure that part of the cloth was not original Shroud of Turin cloth," he said, adding that threads from the main part of the shroud were pure linen, which is spun from flax.

The threads in the patched portion contained cotton as well and had been dyed to match.

From other tests, he estimated that the shroud was between 1,300 and 3,000 years old.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lanl; medievalhoax; shroud; shroudofturin; sudariumofoviedo; veronicaveil
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To: eastsider
Wrong!

Truth is,.....There NEVER was a time when Jesus-the SON was NOT!

:-)

121 posted on 01/27/2005 10:41:06 AM PST by maestro
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To: Phsstpok

Fascinating. I thought the movie, CONTACT, itself was strangely defending religious experience against the reductionism of science. I kept scratching my head saying, "an atheist wrote this?"


122 posted on 01/27/2005 10:41:12 AM PST by dangus
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To: maestro

Are you saying that the second Person of the Trinity has always had a human nature? Yes or no, please.


123 posted on 01/27/2005 10:45:24 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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To: eastsider

No human nature, no Jesus.


124 posted on 01/27/2005 10:46:41 AM PST by eastsider
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To: eastsider; Romulus
Silly,.....Jesus is Eternal 'Jah' (Jehovah).....God the Son....

Go read some theology books on the 'filique'........

There NEVER was a time when JESUS (JAH) Was NOT!

Jesus the Eternal!

:-)

125 posted on 01/27/2005 10:52:48 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro; Romulus

Was there ever a time when Jesus didn't have a human nature?


126 posted on 01/27/2005 10:58:10 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Northern Yankee
As Mr Spock would say "fascinating"
127 posted on 01/27/2005 11:09:01 AM PST by Kelly_2000
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To: eastsider

See post # 125


128 posted on 01/27/2005 11:10:51 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro

Yes or no, maestro. Was Jesus always a man?


129 posted on 01/27/2005 11:13:17 AM PST by eastsider
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To: eastsider
:-)

See post# 125....

130 posted on 01/27/2005 11:14:48 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro

Checkmate : )


131 posted on 01/27/2005 11:15:21 AM PST by eastsider
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To: maestro
?......4 1/2 Billion years old?

LOL...don't you mean 15 Billion? "In the beginning, was the Word..."
132 posted on 01/27/2005 11:16:26 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: Phsstpok; dangus

Never read Contact, in fact Sagan tends to annoy me. I might have to check this out.


133 posted on 01/27/2005 11:16:28 AM PST by redgolum
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To: beezdotcom
LOL

Eternal!

:-)

134 posted on 01/27/2005 11:18:47 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro

Jesus is 4 1/2 billion years old? No orthodox approach to Christology would make that claim.


135 posted on 01/27/2005 11:21:25 AM PST by Remole
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To: Phsstpok
At the end of the book the hero has moved on and is looking at DNA. She applies the same techniques to DNA as she had to the radio signal and basically finds a picture with a sign saying "start here." Sagan says he didn't intend to write that scene, but something just pushed him to do it when he was typing. He never could explain what he'd meant by it or why he'd put it in.

Interesting. Thanks.

136 posted on 01/27/2005 11:23:36 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Remole
LOL

:-)

Jesus 'is' Eternal!

See post# 125

:-)

137 posted on 01/27/2005 11:23:42 AM PST by maestro
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To: Just mythoughts
Sorry I am not buying that.

Then what about the mountain of evidence that points to the Shroud's authenticity? Do you just ignore that?

It seems more reasonable to me to believe that the one countervailing piece of evidence is somehow erroneous.

138 posted on 01/27/2005 11:28:26 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: maestro

I am sorry, but you are wrong, and Romulus is right. "Jesus" (the Word Made Flesh) began to exist at a specific moment in human history, roughly 2009 years ago.


139 posted on 01/27/2005 11:32:16 AM PST by Remole
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To: maestro

You are free to repeat your claim until all bandwidth is exhausted, but your claim is still wrong.


140 posted on 01/27/2005 11:36:58 AM PST by Remole
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