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To: sionnsar; GretchenM
A majority of the Diocese of Virginia's delegates agreed with that vote when it was taken at the church's General Convention.

I don't know how the Rt. Rev. Peter James Lee, Bishop of the Diocese of Virginia, did it, but the lay and clery delegates were stacked with those who would vote "yes" for V. Gene. After the vote, when I saw the list of names of the VA delegates, I groaned. It was that bad. There wasn't one of us from the large No. VA orthodox congregations, so Bishop Lee steered the vote the way he wanted it to go, after his wife changed his mind. Yes, his wife admonished him to choose to be on the "side of the times" or something to that effect, despite Biblical teachings to the contrary. This appeared in an article in the Sunday New York Times magazine.

The Rev. Tom Herrick, Vicar, Christ the Redeemer has been through some very difficult financial times, as that Church doesn't have the congregational funds to keep going and Bp. Lee has from time to time, written a fairly large check at the close of the year, to bail out the Church, which is usual for mission Churches.

But following the "yes" vote at GC, the large orthodox plus the tiny mission Church that is CtR announced that they were now Anglican and stopped sendng any funds to Bp. Lee. This means that this little Church is in the same position as the Global South - by refusing funds from the apostate ECUSA, they put themselves in financial peril.So far, Bp. Lee has "tolerated" this move but I'm sure, for the financial sake of his Diocese, hopes to change something, like finding a legal way to force these "errant" Churches to pay their proper tithe.

Having read this before eating anything today, I have now decided to fast until this meeting has finished. And please, before anyone attacks me for staying in ECUSA, I'd like to remind them of FR's rules against personal attacks. I choose to stay in my Church and fight.

It is my decision and please, I know all the reasons that those who disagree with me, will put forth. For my sake, and sake of my Bp, please, don't go there. Thank you in advance.

Sionnsar - based on what I've written, please monitor this thread for a response by you-know-who? Thanks.

10 posted on 01/27/2005 7:56:42 AM PST by TruthNtegrity
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To: TruthNtegrity

I'm technically still in ECUSA also. Hang in there.


12 posted on 01/27/2005 8:07:51 AM PST by bonfire
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To: TruthNtegrity
I hope I'm not "you know who", even though I left?

Seriously, I can understand why you want to stay and fight, there's still hope. Our diocese is hopeless, is the only reason we left (that, and we have children that need religious instruction, not a cat fight.)

My parents are still in a diocese with an orthodox if somewhat wimpy bishop, although I understand why he appears wimpy, he wants to see what shakes out nationally/internationally before he stirs up his diocese.

15 posted on 01/27/2005 8:14:29 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: TruthNtegrity; All
And please, before anyone attacks me for staying in ECUSA, I'd like to remind them of FR's rules against personal attacks. I choose to stay in my Church and fight.

There are several on this ping list who have chosen to do so, and I fully respect that.

People have been leaving ECUSA at least since '78 (I think that's when the first wave of departures occurred), under varying situations and for various reasons. In my case, had I not moved to Seattle I might still be in there fighting. Had I been in another church I know of, I'd be in there still myself. My father remained for two decades after I left, but matters in his diocese finally reached a point where he couldn't remain.

The situation that has not been resolved, as yet it hasn't a definite outcome, and as I noted a day or two ago, Anglicans can be very Entish in their deliberations.

16 posted on 01/27/2005 8:15:47 AM PST by sionnsar († trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || Kiev County: http://www.soundpolitics.com)
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