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To: antiRepublicrat
I said can make. A person of average intelligence can build a computer.

A "Hugh?" back at you. There are some very high end software programs in graphics and music that MAC's run the best because they are designed to do so. All of the other published pap about MAC's being faster is hogwash. In fact, now that the average user can O/C their front side bus on a PC with little effort (check any motherboard manual) the 3.3gig barrier is a thing of the past. MAC's aren't merely old tech, they are dead tech.

Crashing is more than blue-screens. Do a bunch of new program installs and uninstalls without a cleanup and defrag and see if you don't get some lockups, primarily if you run games.

Furthermore, why did you chop off my quote and merely suggest that I was pointing at defragging only?

"Egomaniacal, yes. It often takes ego to achieve excellence. Clunky? Sorry, they're pretty fast and designed better than any PC on the market. Proprietary?"

The above is laughable. But then again, MAC types like their shoes Birkenstock and their online experiences described as "computerliciousness."

MAC's aren't proprietary? To coin a phrase, "It's the software stupid."

I never said you couldn't upgrade a MAC (that is after you pay off the second mortgage you took out to buy the initial computer).

MAC's are about 4 times the cost to get equal value.

(Actually, you can't buy equal value because MAC doesn't even make a rig equal to the best PC that can be made by ordering parts right out of the book.)
257 posted on 01/27/2005 11:35:40 AM PST by Dysfunctional
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To: Dysfunctional
A person of average intelligence can build a computer.

And maintain their own car, and do many other things we often pay others to do. Time actually is worth something.

MAC's aren't merely old tech, they are dead tech.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Compare the PowerPC 970 to the Pentium 4 and tell me which one is modern technology and which is a collection of hacks to support an ancient architecture originally designed for 8-bit microcontrollers.

Do a bunch of new program installs and uninstalls without a cleanup and defrag and see if you don't get some lockups, primarily if you run games.

Been doing that on my Macs for years. The answer is no.

MAC's are about 4 times the cost to get equal value.

Please enlighten us as to where to get the equivalent of a dual-processor G5 for $500, the equivalent of an iBook for $250, or the equivalent of a Mac mini for $125.

By the way, it's "Mac", not an acronym.

262 posted on 01/27/2005 12:05:14 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (These pretzels are making me thirsty)
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To: Dysfunctional
There are some very high end software programs in graphics and music that MAC's run the best because they are designed to do so.

Those days are now past. You can now get high-end graphics equipment for the PC, too. The Mac has lost much of its dominance in graphics.

. In fact, now that the average user can O/C their front side bus on a PC with little effort (check any motherboard manual) the 3.3gig barrier is a thing of the past. MAC's aren't merely old tech, they are dead tech.

A 64-bit 2.5GHz processor with a 128-bit SIMD unit, dual symmetrical FPUs, a 1.25GHz FSB (Intel is at 1066MHz), and the ability to keep 200 instructions in flight is dead tech? This IBM product derived from the POWER4 high-end server chip is far more advanced than the Intel systems, although the Opteron with its on-board memory controller does beat the PPC970 for memory performance.

why did you chop off my quote and merely suggest that I was pointing at defragging only

Because fragmentation doesn't normally cause crashes, although it'll definitely slow your system down. "Defrag it" is the first thing inexperienced techs say when they encounter stability problems.

The above is laughable

Then upon what do you base your statement of them being slow and clunky?

To coin a phrase, "It's the software stupid."

It is? How? I can run Linux on a Mac, so you're not tied to OS X. Or are you talking about how OS X doesn't work on x86 systems? Poor you, Apple doesn't want to develop for a 20 year-old processor architecture.

MAC's are about 4 times the cost to get equal value. (Actually, you can't buy equal value because MAC doesn't even make a rig equal to the best PC that can be made by ordering parts right out of the book.)

Mac and PC speeds leapfrog because Apple releases faster computers less often than Intel bumps its processor speed. Normally, Macs are faster at the time of a new Apple launch, then get relatively slower, then there's another launch, wash, rinse, repeat. We are currently coming close to a new Apple launch, so the fastest Mac will be slower than the fastest Intel machine right now.

But as far as value goes, I can get a dual G5 2.5 and a dual Dell Xeon workstation (not the fastest, mid-range to compare to the Mac), slap lots of RAM in both, and I'll probably spend less on the Mac.

Talking DIY is apples and oranges, so don't go there, since it isn't an option for the vast majority of the population and a rare practice in big business too. Personally, I have an Athlon system that started over 11 years ago as a 486/66, so I definitely know DIY.

269 posted on 01/27/2005 12:35:15 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Dysfunctional; Swordmaker; antiRepublicrat
DELL INC (NasdaqNM:DELL) Delayed quote data After Hours (RT-ECN): 40.75 Down 0.03 (0.07%)

APPLE COMPUTER (NasdaqNM:AAPL) Delayed quote data After Hours (RT-ECN): 72.66 Up 0.02 (0.03%)

I don't own any Dell stock, but I bought my Apple stock a year and a half ago... at 13.375! I just wish I had bought more than the 3k shares that I did! (PS- I bought Xerox and sold it three times within 10 months and quadrupled there, as well!)

There are some of us with a proper perspective. We know a good thing when we see it! Others just tilt at windmills...

279 posted on 01/27/2005 2:17:24 PM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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