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For some of us, Carson's death a grim awakening
Chicago Tribune ^ | Jan. 26, 2004 | John Kass

Posted on 01/26/2005 3:06:33 PM PST by Rennes Templar

There are two kinds of conversations about Johnny Carson. One kind is the one most of you are having. It is light and interesting, about showbiz, TV, popular culture. Then there is the other conversation many of us have been avoiding.

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A part of it (the conversation)landed on my desk with a little thump. It was a package, about the size of your palm, with a brown camel on it, two pyramids and three palm trees.

"You can have them," said a friend who tossed them, casual in voice, though there was no missing the symbolism of it, his casting away of the Camels.

"I'm done with them," he said. "I quit."

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Carson's death could have been due to pneumonia, to infection, or it could have been respiratory failure. Either way it was private, and ugly.

I thought of him suffering amidst tubes.

"You can quit," Dr. Gross said. "You can have a life. You can quit."

I've failed before. And I'm afraid of failing. But Johnny Carson convinced me.

If you're interested in doing the same, you can call the American Lung Association at 312-243-2000.

jskass@tribune.com

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: everyonediessomeday; healthpolice; johnnycarson; pufflist; tobacco
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To: spunkets

See #183.


221 posted on 01/26/2005 9:42:29 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: spunkets

It doesn't "create radioactivity" in the sense of making new atoms. Radioactive stuff is volatilized though. This is among the reasons why coal-fired power plants are more dangerous than nuclear ones. Of course, if you really want some radiation, just eat some bananas.


222 posted on 01/26/2005 9:48:32 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Rennes Templar

Are two cigars a day bad?


223 posted on 01/26/2005 9:53:00 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: freedumb2003
Closer to 25%, I would say -- not counting those that like a good cigar every now and then. If you add the latter, your number is probably right.

I quit at age 21, after being honorably discharged from the Marine Corps. Interesting, most of my cigarettes were given to me by the US Government!

224 posted on 01/26/2005 9:54:36 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: Happy2BMe

Depends on the brand.


225 posted on 01/26/2005 9:55:06 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: L,TOWM

Have sinus surgury, you won't feel like smoking for at least a week because you'll be feeling so horrible. After a week the stuff might be out of you (physically at least).

Unfortunately I resumed after that, because I still enjoy it very much. Life is full of risks, we have the freedom to make our own informed choices. Living and driving here in LA probably has a higher morbitity rate than smoking anyway!


226 posted on 01/26/2005 9:55:34 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Rennes Templar

Swisher Sweet Giants.


227 posted on 01/26/2005 9:56:40 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

I never smoked much -a cig or two a day. One day hurricane Hugo pushed through South Carolina, and there were so many trees on the streets that travel was dicey for weeks. If you could brave it, you would get "lost" in familiar subdivisions because of the debris set along the roadways. I figured that if nature hadn't killed me on one sweep, I wasn't going to let tobacco kill me in steps. I missed it for about two weeks. Fifteen years later I saw my Mother die of emphysema, and she never smoked at all. I would call my decision wise, but we must remember that fate is cold and may play us viciously. All one can do is try to lessen the odds....


228 posted on 01/26/2005 10:09:43 PM PST by ashtanga
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To: Rennes Templar

Good for you! Oddly enough, EXACTLY one year ago this week,my wife and I were watching Oprah, while lying in bed at about 1 AM. She had a NY doctor named Oz on, and he led her over to several tables which had "items" covered with small sterile looking white cloths. One by one, the items were uncovered, and described and explained by the doctor : a healthy heart next to diseased heart, a healthy liver next to the liver of an alcoholic, a healthy pair of lungs next to a lifelong smoker's lungs. The audience was aghast yet transfixed at such a direct and blunt exhibition: the doctor touched, prodded, and squeezed both sets of organs, tearing apart the blackened smoker's lungs like wet cardboard. That did it for me, and I quit for the second and final time, and this time an entire year. I will forever love Oprah for doing this show. And my daughter, who has been on my back every time she smelled smoke coming up from the basement, and who I know I've caused to cry in frustration more times than I can count.
I think that even though Johnny did not die young, he probably had some very painful years at the end, and the identification and familiarity so many people had with him will also put many over the top and on their way to quitting.


229 posted on 01/26/2005 11:50:23 PM PST by willyboyishere
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To: RobFromGa

BTTT


230 posted on 01/27/2005 1:08:48 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Molon-frickin'-Labe!)
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To: SEVENCROSS
Do you mean......... joyclyn Elders was RIGHT after all????? We are ALL going to die of SOMETHING?????? Oh no we are....... DOOMED!

All kidding aside, if I have any sayso in the way I die, I don't want it to be emphysema and all longtime smokers get emphysema. They may die from something else but they also have emphysema. I was an asthmatic child and I don't want to die while struggling for a breath (Please God).
231 posted on 01/27/2005 5:46:34 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Rennes Templar
My mother never smoked a day in her life. Dead at 53 from ovarian cancer.

My father, who smoked practically every day of his life, dead at 95.

I think I'll follow his example.

Unless of course, my anecdotal evidence isn't as valid as yours is.

232 posted on 01/27/2005 6:25:03 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Do it and shut up.


233 posted on 01/27/2005 6:25:37 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Rennes Templar

I quit at the March for Freedom in '98.

If Carson's death encourages anyone to quit, that's good.

That said, Carson lived 4 years longer than the average for men in his group.


234 posted on 01/27/2005 6:37:22 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Rennes Templar

My mother died of emphysema and heart disease in 85'. She was 55 years old. My father quit smoking and lasted until he was 76 before he died of lung cancer. They both smoked three packs a day for years. I used to beg them to stop but they just laughed it off.


235 posted on 01/27/2005 6:45:58 AM PST by dljordan
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To: metesky

As I said to others, parents such as yours are not high on the bell curve.


236 posted on 01/27/2005 7:41:03 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: WildTurkey

>>Actually, "second-hand smoke" is pretty nasty stuff. If it comes from a non-puff it burns at a lower temperature and contains more toxins. It is also not filtered by the smokers lungs.<<

Yes, except for one thing: PPM


237 posted on 01/27/2005 7:52:28 AM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: Rennes Templar
As I said to others, parents such as yours are not high on the bell curve.

You didn't know them, Mr. Mensa, but apparently mine were higher on the class curve than yours.

238 posted on 01/27/2005 8:04:18 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Shortwave
Nicotine doesn't kill people, long-term lung damage from the associate toxins and tars lead to chronic respiratory symptoms which serve to shorten life.

Nicotine is seen as the "addictive" agent in the syndrome.

239 posted on 01/27/2005 8:14:39 AM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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To: Rennes Templar
As I said to others, parents such as yours are not high on the bell curve.

You pal, are an asshole.

240 posted on 01/27/2005 8:15:05 AM PST by jwalsh07
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