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Judge allows robber to deduct gun
National Post (subscription required) ^ | 2005.01.26 | David Rennie

Posted on 01/26/2005 12:26:58 PM PST by Libertas aut Mortis

PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2005.01.26 BYLINE: David Rennie SOURCE: The Daily Telegraph DATELINE: BRUSSELS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Judge allows robber to deduct gun ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------

BRUSSELS - A Dutch court has allowed a bank robber to claim the $3,200 cost of the pistol used in the hold-up as a legitimate business expense.

The 46-year-old bank robber was permitted to set the cost of the gun against his gross proceeds of $10,575, gained during his raid on a bank in the southern town of Chaam. The judge at Breda criminal court duly reduced his fine by the same amount, in addition to sentencing him to four years in jail.

In a timely boost for the Netherlands' image as a bastion of liberal extremism -- dented recently by spiraling racial tensions -- the Dutch prosecutors service said the judge had followed sound legal precedent on the confiscation of criminal assets.

Spokesman Leendert De Lange said, "You can compare criminal acts to normal business activities, where you must invest to make profits, and thus you have costs."

Thus drug dealers would be within their rights to claim the cost of a car used to ferry those drugs around, Mr. De Lange said.

At pains to show that Dutch prosecutors are not a pushover, Mr. De Lange scoffed at the hypothetical example of a drug dealer claiming his Ferrari against the proceeds of his crimes.

"No, he would have to prove that he needed the car to transport the drugs around, and I hardly think he would transport them in a Ferrari," he said.

Dutch judges also insist on receipts, invoices or other forms of proof when calculating how much to confiscate from convicted criminals, the spokesman noted.

"You can't just tell the judge you spent 10,000 euros [$16,000], without any proof."

Gerard Sta, national director of the office of criminal assets, told the Dutch newspaper De Standaard of other strict conditions that must be fulfilled before a refund is considered: A criminal's costs must be directly related to the crime, and not just day-to-day expenses.

"A second condition is that the criminal offence must be carried out," Mr. Sta said.

Normal economic principles were at work, Mr. De Lange explained.

"The whole idea is that crime does not pay, but you are allowed to claim your expenses," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bankrobber; belgium; businessexpense; dogooders; eurotrash; liberalextremism; proceedsofcrime; socialists

1 posted on 01/26/2005 12:26:58 PM PST by Libertas aut Mortis
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To: Libertas aut Mortis

"A Dutch court has allowed a bank robber to claim the $3,200 cost of the pistol used in the hold-up as a legitimate business expense."

In a country where guns are banned.


2 posted on 01/26/2005 12:28:48 PM PST by PeterFinn (The only thing I need to know about Islam is how to destroy it.)
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To: Libertas aut Mortis

what about the ammo?


3 posted on 01/26/2005 12:28:50 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Libertas aut Mortis

Please Lord, don't let anyone in the California judicial system read this thread.


4 posted on 01/26/2005 12:31:17 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
Please Lord, don't let anyone in the California judicial system read this thread.
My thoughts exactly! LOL!
5 posted on 01/26/2005 12:37:18 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Libertas aut Mortis
Is it deductible immediately or does it have to be depreciated over many years as a capital expense?
6 posted on 01/26/2005 12:42:19 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: Libertas aut Mortis

Does the thief have to pay worker's comp and health insurance?


7 posted on 01/26/2005 12:44:18 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Libertas aut Mortis

Whose been snorting the laughing gas?

PLEASE; tell me this isn't true!


8 posted on 01/26/2005 12:46:26 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: Libertas aut Mortis

That's one expensive handgun!


9 posted on 01/26/2005 12:51:28 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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That's one expensive handgun!

Well, they're illegal, so the overhead is sky high - payment to smugglers, costs of lawyers on retainer, payoffs to corrupt government officials (also deductible). You better not intimate that gun fencing is a high-profit margin endeavor!!
10 posted on 01/26/2005 12:54:59 PM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: coloradan

It was probably a 1911... people spend obscene amounts of money on them to get performance and reliability equal to a $450 Glock or a $550 Sig... go figure!


11 posted on 01/26/2005 1:28:16 PM PST by TorahTrueJew
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I would be surprised if a common criminal bought a tricked-out 1911 to use for stickups.


12 posted on 01/26/2005 2:36:24 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Amerigomag

Tooooooooo late!!!


13 posted on 01/26/2005 2:54:32 PM PST by freecopper01 (God will grant us the strength for the battle: Will we have the courage to use it?)
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To: beezdotcom
payoffs to corrupt government officials (also deductible)

there's a gotcha; you need receipts:

Dutch judges also insist on receipts, invoices or other forms of proof when calculating how much to confiscate from convicted criminals, the spokesman noted.

"You can't just tell the judge you spent 10,000 euros [$16,000], without any proof."

Can Dutch criminals insist on receipts from judges?

14 posted on 01/27/2005 5:21:02 AM PST by packrat01 (Politics:Saying "Islam is a religion of peace" while seeking final destruction of Islamist Terrorism)
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there's a gotcha; you need receipts:

Yes, but a photo covertly taken by a crony in an alley of you handing over a wad of cash WILL suffice as a receipt.

The added bonus is that you can also use it for blackmail, but then you have even MORE income to declare (capital gains)
15 posted on 01/27/2005 6:04:44 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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but then you have even MORE income to declare (capital gains)

Is it taxed at the long-term rate if you hold the photo for a year before "axing" the judge for $$$?

16 posted on 01/28/2005 11:56:23 AM PST by packrat01 (Politics:Saying "Islam is a religion of peace" while seeking final destruction of Islamist Terrorism)
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To: Libertas aut Mortis

Henceforth, the following items shall be tax-deductable:
1. Get-away cars
2. Gas or mileage to and fro the crime scene
3. Travel cost such as hotels and meals when "on assignment" outside one's home town.
4. Items and costs needed for extorsion
5. All costs of sex crimes
6. All cost to defend oneself in court
7. Bribes


17 posted on 01/30/2005 7:59:03 AM PST by JohnTek
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