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To: JWinNC
I think you can divide the agnostic into hard and soft. The "soft" one thinks there is no God (or at least no current evidence), but is open to the possibility. The "hard" one thinks there is no God and no way to prove it and no way to find out. Both leave the door open at least a little.

A "Soft atheist", also called "Weak Atheist". I'm not fond of either term, preferring "Agnostic" instead. But there isn't a nickels worth of difference between them. As an Agnostic, I don't believe that I can say for certain that there is a god or gods or not. Further, If I were to assume that there were a god (or gods), I have no reason to believe that it, being a supreme being, needs a thing from me in terms of worship or whatever. I can't see any reason to satisfy its needs as I don't know any of the properties of the supreme being and what it desires, if it even exits in the first place. Hey, if it made everything around me and me as well, it can make whatever it needs to satisfy itself. With all that capability and production capacity, its hard to believe it to so insecure as to require mere worship from mere humans. Oy Vey!

So, until a supreme being reveals itself and explains its need for human comfort, I'll worry about what is necessary to carve out an honorable, meaningful, fulfilling life on terms that I, in the spirit of my human nature, desire.

My mate, my friends, my dog, good food, red wine, good books, good health, exercise (swimming and cycling), some scuba diving, a few well deserved atta boy's at work, a modest but well maintained house, good music, the freedom to live as I like (as a direct result of my extremely fortunate circumstance of having been born in the best country on the planet)....and oh yes, a speedy internet connection. Wow, to marvel at the works of others, architcture, inventions, art, music, ideas.... That's about all I need to need to be happy and healthy. At some point, hopefully long and far into the future, I'll die.

738 posted on 01/27/2005 6:22:12 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: Diverdogz
…As an Agnostic, I don't believe that I can say for certain that there is a god or gods or not. Further, If I were to assume that there were a god (or gods), I have no reason to believe that it, being a supreme being, needs a thing from me in terms of worship or whatever.

Of course! A supreme being would not need anything from you. Nothing at all! However, a supreme being, particularly a benevolent one, may very well want to give you something and that something might just turn out to be something you’re really going to need. He is supreme after all.

I can't see any reason to satisfy its needs as I don't know any of the properties of the supreme being and what it desires, if it even exits in the first place. Hey, if it made everything around me and me as well, it can make whatever it needs to satisfy itself.

Indeed, a supreme being can satisfy itself. No doubt. But what if its needs are not the issue? What if its something else? If the supreme being is supreme, then it would not be its own desires that it would be concerned with.

With all that capability and production capacity, its hard to believe it to so insecure as to require mere worship from mere humans. Oy Vey!

Of course not. Insecurity would have nothing to do with it. A supreme being would not even have insecurities. A supreme being could however require many things, including worship, for reasons other than insecurity.

So, until a supreme being reveals itself and explains its need for human comfort,…

Many know that the supreme being has revealed Himself and has explained a great many things and it isn’t comfort from humans that motivates Him.

I'll worry about what is necessary to carve out an honorable, meaningful, fulfilling life on terms that I, in the spirit of my human nature, desire.

Everybody passes when they grade their own work.

My mate, my friends, my dog, good food, red wine, good books, good health, exercise (swimming and cycling), some scuba diving, a few well deserved atta boy's at work, a modest but well maintained house, good music, the freedom to live as I like (as a direct result of my extremely fortunate circumstance of having been born in the best country on the planet)....and oh yes, a speedy internet connection. Wow, to marvel at the works of others, architcture, inventions, art, music, ideas.... That's about all I need to need to be happy and healthy. At some point, hopefully long and far into the future, I'll die.

Yep, you’ll die. And so will your mate and your friends, and your dog. And the good food will be gone and the wine and the books and your health and the scuba and your work and your house and your freedom and your country and the buildings and the inventions and the art and the music and the ideas… it will all eventually turn to dust. Zip. Nada. Zero. Nothing. It will all be for naught because there is nothing else. Nothing higher, nothing beyond, nothing else. Nothing.

Nothing lasts forever. Enjoy it while you can, but just in case there is a supreme being. You might want to seek Him. He just might have something for you beyond the nothing.

Peace,
jweaks

745 posted on 01/27/2005 7:10:47 PM PST by JWinNC (www.webgent.com)
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