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To: Selkie
The Christians were all tyrants doing the King's biding ? LOL

No, you tried to use your family history to show that America was Christian. My family history would show just the opposite. You make a big deal of your ancestors coming here in 1705. I can play that silly game too. My European ancestors were Dutch seamen and trappers who were in America ten years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. All any of this proves is that the best of our roots lie buried in the ground. We have no bigger claim on America than anyone else.

Stark is an atheist and I find this source cited a lot on atheism websites.

Stark is the author of Victories Of Reason: How Christianity Freedom And Capitalism Led To Western Success, and I find this source quoted on many Christian websites. He credits Christianity and capitalism for our success.

You guys are quick to quote him as a Christian defender of the faith when he praises Christianity, yet you'll call him an Atheist when he dares to use fact you don't like.

America when it was difficult for many to get to church. But "membership" is not the issue. Belief is

You're grasping at straws. The issue is whether America is a Christian country. It is not. Many of our founders wrote of their dislike of Christianity. That is history.
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722 posted on 01/27/2005 2:44:11 PM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: mugs99
The Christians were all tyrants doing the King's biding ? LOL No, you tried to use your family history to show that America was Christian. My family history would show just the opposite. You make a big deal of your ancestors coming here in 1705. I can play that silly game too. My European ancestors were Dutch seamen and trappers who were in America ten years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. All any of this proves is that the best of our roots lie buried in the ground. We have no bigger claim on America than anyone else. Stark is an atheist and I find this source cited a lot on atheism websites. Stark is the author of Victories Of Reason: How Christianity Freedom And Capitalism Led To Western Success, and I find this source quoted on many Christian websites. He credits Christianity and capitalism for our success. You guys are quick to quote him as a Christian defender of the faith when he praises Christianity, yet you'll call him an Atheist when he dares to use fact you don't like. America when it was difficult for many to get to church. But "membership" is not the issue. Belief is You're grasping at straws. The issue is whether America is a Christian country. It is not. Many of our founders wrote of their dislike of Christianity. That is history>>>

I'm late for cooking dinner, but instead checked my ping list. Silly me. I didnt make a big deal about my mother's ancestors all arriving here by 1705.

I had to include information to show my personal points. The vast majority of my relations who lived in America from 1694 and onwards were Christian. From the stats you posted that would make them a total anomaly.

And nowhere did I post that I have a bigger claim on America than anyone else. (except for my American Indian lineage :P LOL j/k )

I would never quote Stark as a defender of the faith and I wonder about Christians who need a sociologist's findings to bolster their faith. He neithr defends nor condemns Christianity, he merely reports his interpretation of data he's explored.

You say that MANY of our founders wrote their dislike of Christianity. Why do you say many ? Some, but not many.

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

728 posted on 01/27/2005 4:15:33 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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