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To: ArGee
That only by virtue of having bigger guns you can force people to cooperate with you?

Those of us who do not want to rape, murder and plunder have co-operated to create a society where murderers, rapists and thieves get squashed. Rather than setting up a society where the law of the jungle rules and its every man for himself, we have co-operated to increase the safety of all.

And your label of sociopaths may make you feel superior to them, but it doesn't fool me. They don't agree with your version of society? You don't agree with theirs. Why are they the sociopaths and not you?

Because the majority backs my view of society over theirs'.

The strong survive and the strong should survive.

Explain Stephen Hawking then, or Bill Gates. Being a mindless thug, no matter how strong, is not a particularly effective way to survive in our society. Similarly, if we're talking about nations, being an aggressor is usually a very good way to make all other nations gang up on you.

579 posted on 01/27/2005 11:12:58 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Modernman
Those of us who do not want to rape, murder and plunder have co-operated to create a society where murderers, rapists and thieves get squashed. Rather than setting up a society where the law of the jungle rules and its every man for himself, we have co-operated to increase the safety of all.

Increase your safety, perhaps, but not necessarily the safety of all. There would have been safe people regardless. You might or might not have been one of them. However, you immorally presume to flood your posterity with genes that are not tuned for survival rather than taking the moral view of allowing only the most worthy genes to survive. That will not last, as it creates a soft civilization that eventually falls to the more moral "barbarians" who wait outside.

And I would agree with Mark Twain that your "don't want to" has more to do with lack of opportunity than anything else.

Because the majority backs my view of society over theirs'.

Today, not tomorrow. And it does so largely because of the teachings of that "turn the other cheek" guy becoming prevalent through the middle ages. If not for that, the majority would still back the view that the strong should survive and the weak should take a hike. You may not be able to imagine a society that was not formed from the dust of those archaic teachings, but history is replete with them.

Explain Stephen Hawking then, or Bill Gates. Being a mindless thug, no matter how strong, is not a particularly effective way to survive in our society.

But the society was built by thugs so that the wimps could survive in it. Do you think women would have built the civilization we know today? Would they still be screaming about "women's lib" in the world of "Mad Max?"

Face it - you are basking in the afterglow of a Judeo-Christian society. But Judeo-Christian teachings are anti-evolutionary. That's why they never hold for long. They ebb and flow with the ages. The real morality is to recognize reality and align yourself with it rather than the fatally flawed attempt to thwart it taught by the Nazarene and his ilk.

Shalom.

605 posted on 01/27/2005 11:56:54 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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