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To: MineralMan

sorry, I misunderstood your experience.

I would contend that you didn't actually die -- that your soul never actually left your body.

Have you considered that?

(I realize that you may not even believe you have a soul. I will just assert that a "blank" experience is a rather shaky prop for your beliefs.)


552 posted on 01/27/2005 10:25:29 AM PST by Zechariah_8_13 ("Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.")
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To: Zechariah_8_13

"I would contend that you didn't actually die -- that your soul never actually left your body.

Have you considered that?

(I realize that you may not even believe you have a soul. I will just assert that a "blank" experience is a rather shaky prop for your beliefs.)
"

First, I'd have to posit the existence of a "soul," by which I take you to mean some force that exists apart from the body. Sorry, but that falls into the realm of things I don't believe exist, along with all other supernatural entities.

Did I actually die? Of course not. If I had, I would not be writing this. But, then, neither did the others who had these NDEs. If they're here, they didn't actually die.

Experiences identical to NDEs can be easily induced with medication. The buzzing and white light thingie is a common symptom of anoxia, and the rest can be observed by using ketamine as a sort of anesthesia. People have visions all the time.

I once had an "out of body experience" following the ingestion of a sizable dose of mescaline. I saw myself driving down the road and pulling into the garage of my house, as if I were about 100 feet above the car. The human mind is capable of all sorts of strange stuff.

No, I didn't die. Neither did the rest who have NDEs. They ALMOST died. That's why I used the term clinical death to describe what happened to me.


561 posted on 01/27/2005 10:41:17 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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