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To: tortoise; betty boop; marron; Michael_Michaelangelo
Thank you so much for your reply!

Your points are well made, however, there is no need for a believer to substantiate his doctrine with materialistic theory.

Not so however with the atheist - who as a metaphysical naturalist has put materialism at the center of his disbelief - otherwise his disbelief is actually a belief in rebellion to diety and in favor of self. That was my point.

In sum, there is not a scientific materialism "bar" for belief but there is for disbelief.

330 posted on 01/26/2005 12:54:32 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Your points are well made, however, there is no need for a believer to substantiate his doctrine with materialistic theory.

There a need for a non-believer to substantiate his non-belief in the absence of priors -- the non-belief is the optimal default position. Compliments of another mathematician, Reverand Thomas Bayes.

Atheists (and agnostics) are asserting the existence of God is a null prior. Non-belief is the optimal/correct default position in this case. You cannot validly assert that the non-belief of an atheist or agnostic is irrational until you establish a non-null prior.

This is THE problem: theists can only convince atheists by establishing a valid prior. This it seems is nigh impossible, and so the default position remains.

368 posted on 01/26/2005 1:38:04 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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