Posted on 01/26/2005 8:23:02 AM PST by presidio9
there is not more overall forest in the eastern united states than when the pilgrams landed, remember we had to make roads, towns, cities, farms, industrial places, etc.... those all took up forest. That's ok though, needed to happen. I mean, now we have sectioned off places that we call a "national forest".... however back then, it was nearly all forest.
Why do you suspect that? I am not really even active on this website, I decided to jump in on this topic because it is a matter of what I do and study everyday.... well far sider, are you a geologist? even a naturalist? Sorta insulting that people will discredit my job because I have comments about the Earth and a mountain to post.
I'm just a chemical engineer, but even I know you can't make a legitimate comparison between Venus and Earth, just because both planets have CO2 in their atmospheres.
And yes it is likely that there are more trees now than when the pilgrims landed. The indians did not have ways to control the massive forest fires and grass fires that frequently used to burn across the plains. And they also didn't have Arbor Day as far as we know. Stick around FR awhile and maybe you will learn a few things.
Walk up Over the Khumba Icefall...keep going up the Western Cwm until to you reach Camp Three. Then scale OVER Lhotse, turn around, and snap the picture, :o)
BTW....what a great picture.
When Mallory saw that view, he turned around and started looking for another way up.
You've seen pictures from the south, then from the north and now this great shot from due east.
Remember the "smaller" mountain you saw peaking behind the others?
Well...now that's to the left in this newest picture and it is, indeed, Mighty Everest.
Knock me over with an egg roll!
I would've never guessed.
Where they standing up or setting down when they took their measurement and where did they get a tape that long?
I crack up every time. It is so Toooooo the point. MRN
Your picture proves that it is not global warming, but global wind-ing that is making the mountain shorter. We must take immediate action to reduce the unregulated winds around the world, look at the damage potential.
I don't get it. The "east" is the Kangshung face (northeast, anyway).
YIKES! That's a view from due west looking east.
Check out the satellite photo at # 131.
| Hindu pilgrims walk on a snow-covered pathway on the route to Vaishno Devi, 59 kilometers (37 miles) northeast of Jammu, India, Friday, Jan. 28, 2005. Snowfall in the Himalayan ranges has lowered temperature across northern India. (AP Photo/Channi Anand) |
Oh my goooddnneessss! What a Shot! {and the Chinese is so helpful}
Seriesly, those mountain ranges are hugh!
All your mountain ranges are belong to me!
Now that sat shot is VERY impressive. I hate to ask stupid questions all the time, but are those all glaciers?
Thanks, eddie.
[in best John Kerry voice] "Yes and no".
All those you see are the glaciers and their valleys.
I think this picture was shot in infrared so you are seeing the area beneath the snow.
Now the big thing that kind of looks like a blown out volcano just right of center is the Everest complex.
Mount Everest proper is the bigger peak on the left of the complex with the 3 lines coming together like a pyramid. The flat surface of it that is running on the left is the North Face (see the "brownish" photo I posted earlier) which is the Tibetan side. The long Glacier/Valley running off to the top left part of the picture is the Rongbuk glacier. Until 1953, this was the way everyone tried to scale Mt. Everest (Nepal then being "forbidden" to foreigners.... they all failed)
Now...look to the "Bowl" behind (to the right of the Everest pyramid in this picture)
That is the "Western Cwm". Cwm is the Welsh word for "valley" and was so named by George Mallory who was lost on the mountain in 1924 and the man who answered "Because it is there." when asked why scale Mt. Everest. BTW...his frozen body was found at around 26,000 ft. in 1999. His partner, "Sandy" Irvine has yet to be found. But I digress.
The two other mountains that make up the Everest Complex and surround the Western Cwm are Lhotse and Nuptse.
Nuptse sits across from Everest the opening of the horseshoe shaped bowl.
Lhotse is at the top of the bowl and connects to Everest at what is called the "South Col".
The South Col is a flat area at over 26,000 ft. (The Death Zone) and is the location of "Camp Four", the final resting place before the final assault to the top of the mountain.
This route through the "Bowl" of the Western Cwm is called the Southern Route and was pioneered in the British Expedition of 1953 in which Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary became the first confirmed people to reach the summit and return. (Romantics like me wish to believe that Mallory made it to the top and died on his way down)
The route begins at the Khumba Icefall which, if it were running water, would be rapids. But instead is huge house sized boulders of ice that shift as the glacier runs "rapidly" downhill. Most deaths on Everest expeditions are at the Icefall.
Then you go up the valley, half-way up Lhotse to curve up to the left over the Geneva Spur to the South Col and then to the top.
Simple. ;o)
Wow. Simple...
I'm going to print the sat pic, and go over your very detailed explanation. This is going to help my 67 year old brain keep those neutron synapsis firing. I hope. Thanks!
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