[Junior]

No. I won't accept anything they say automatically simply because they are Christian. There is a difference between that and not accepting them because they are Christian. Carrier may be an atheist, but he has done his research, so he is credible. Pulling stuff off Christian sites because it sounds good and supports your views does not necessarily make your particular positions valid.

Your sources are atheists, so I won't believe that they are genuinely looking for the truth.

Why not? Would it not be possible for an atheist to be objective? Would you consider that Christian apologists might be a bit biased too? Research can always be double checked regardless of the leanings of the researcher (that's what peer review is all about). This is the reason I linked my sources.

[ohioWfan]

Don't twist my words, Junior. I said nothing about accepting anything someone says just because they are a Christian.

Carrier has done research as an atheist, with a point to prove. You can say the same thing about the Christian sources I have (also scholars who have done extensive research).

That was the whole point of my last post. Both sides will have bias.

You believe the bias of the atheists for whatever your reasons are, and I believe the bias of the Christians, because they will have more of a moral compunction to tell the truth. (It's a commandment that atheists can and do, freely ignore).

As I said previously. We are at a stalemate. You are free to believe your atheist sources as to the authenticity of Scripture.

[ohioWfan]

Pulling stuff off Christian sites because it sounds good and supports your views does not necessarily make your particular positions valid.

Oh.......I missed this little gem.

My sources, as I said previously, are books, not websites. Since Christian websites are a point of ridicule for you religious evolutionists, why would I use them as a source of information?

I have also told you that my daughter has extensive written verification of the authenticity of ancient texts. She is a scholar, as are her professors. But she is also a Christian, so you won't believe her either.

[ohioWfan]

In case anyone is lurking and wondering if I actually have sources, here is a list........

History and Christianity, by John Warwick Montgomery.

Handbook to the Textual Criticism of the New Testament, 2nd ed., MacMillan

Companion to Classical Texts, "MS. Authorities for the Text of the Chief Classical Writers," by F.W. Hall, Oxford.

The Bible and Archaeology, Harper publ.

Introduction to the Textual Criticism of the New Testament, Broadman press.

Evidence that Demands a Verdict, Josh McDowell (just found out he actually has a website).

Junior won't believe any of these scholars because they're Christians, but perhaps someone else might find the references useful in studying Christian apologetics, and the authenticity of the New Testament.

[ohioWfan]

So am I to assume from your lack of response, that you agree that since you choose to believe only atheistic sources, and dismiss Christian ones, no matter how scholarly, that we have no common ground?

Is that how this discussion will end? If so, it will prove much about your so-called faith.