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To: jammer

Your straw man is the term "Judicial Revolution". Bush wants exactly what he says he wants, and he himself never said he wants a "Judicial Revolution".

You see, we already had one of those and it was all in the wrong direction - towards Judicial Activism, or legislating from the Bench. Bush wants to right the imbalance that we now have gotten to in America. He wants to begin pushing the Courts back toward non-judicial activism and away from legislating from the Bench. Someone calling that a Judicial Revolution is just throwing a bomb into the middle of everything, whether they are throwing it from the Left or the Right.

Bush and Rove supported Arlen Specter because they feared that Pat Toomey would lose the general election and give that seat to a Democrat who would always vote with the Dems on everything, especially on who controls the Senate, and because of political protocol, in which you never oppose an incumbent Senator in a primary election. {{{They supported Bob Smith in NH against young John Sununu, for crying out loud.}}} So far they have never varied from this protocol. No matter if the incumbent was liberal or conservative.

You are wrong in your conspiracy claims that would make Bush a very evil man, if they were true. But go ahead, drag out the BushBot rhetoric and the rest, because you just lost the argument. Time for the name-calling to begin? (But I won't be around to read it, he he).


19 posted on 01/24/2005 8:01:18 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

You may want to check your facts on Smith v. Sununu - I believe it was the other way around (due to Smith bolting the GOP temporarily to run for President w/the Constitution Party).


30 posted on 01/24/2005 8:18:46 AM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: txrangerette

19 posted on 01/24/2005 8:01:18 AM PST by txrangerette
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Spector is a Democrat by any other definition.


96 posted on 01/24/2005 1:26:33 PM PST by Area51 (Illegal Immigration: 20 Million Mexicans can't be wrong.)
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To: txrangerette
Okay, remove that term and say "overthrow these laws by going against stare decisis" or even ignore it. It wasn't a straw man--Bush says he wants the Constitution interpreted, not have judicial lawmaking. Hellfire and damnation, if that change isn't "Judicial Revolution" from what we have, then I don't know what is.

"Political protocol" is just a rationalization for "conservatives" to justify what he's doing. And, doesn't following political protocol in this way fly directly in the face of the argument you just made about saying what he wants (or means)?

Finally, don't throw your own straw man in, which is what I think you did by dismissing the term Judicial Revolution. Just keep thinking Bush says exactly what he wants and keep arguing that. That's fine. I disagree, and more and more people are starting to agree with me. By 2008, even Bots will be disenchanted. But we won't know until then.

107 posted on 01/24/2005 1:44:57 PM PST by jammer
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To: txrangerette
Interesting this is from Human Events. Not trying to start an argument, just trying to see  the truth.  Somehow I do believe Bob Smith.   
 
Smith Didn't Get Specter Treatment

by John Gizzi
Posted May 7, 2004

(snip) "The President typically campaigns for senators who support his policies," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told me two days after Sen. Arlen Specter (R.-Pa.) staved off a stiff primary challenge from conservative Rep. Pat Toomey (R.-Pa.). ......
 
........"The President supports incumbent senators," Duffy concluded. "He wants to build on the Republican majority in the Senate and the first step toward doing that is to protect your incumbents."

Smith has a somewhat different recollection. In a call from Longboat Key, Fla., where he now lives, he said of Duffy's account: "You'd have to have a real good sense of humor to take that seriously. I did not get the support of President Bush in the primary, nor from the Vice President or any of the Cabinet--not in any way, shape or form."

Smith said he told Rove at a luncheon of the Senate Republican Policy Committee in 2001 "that I need the President to campaign for me." "He said 'Yes' but that the President would appear only after the filing deadline. Karl said the President did not want to appear as though he was chasing Sununu out of the primary. Well, Sununu did file and
the White House never delivered on its promise of a Bush campaign appearance," Smith said, noting that Bush never signed a letter or issued a statement supporting him in the primary.

But, Smith said, "Karl did appear at a fund-raising event for me at the home of a friend. But that same day, he appeared at another function where my primary opponent was." As for Duffy's claim the White House helped secure Giuliani for a Smith television spot, Smith said, "They had nothing to do with it. We had close connections on our own with people in New York who knew Rudy."
 
 

153 posted on 01/24/2005 4:51:35 PM PST by pilgrim (May God have mercy!!)
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