Islamic cleric urges all Muslims to reject terrorism(One of the most influential clerics speaks out)

Inquirer ^ | 2005-01-23 | Allan Nawal

[ViLaLuz]

Bottom line... Allah is Satan, and as a result nothing lastingly good will ever come out of Islam.

[Blowtorch]

This isn't possible. We have hundreds of posters here who complain that no muslim will ever speak out against terrorism.

This cleric is putting his life on the line. Hopefully more will follow in suit. As for the freepers you are referring to, they are likely the "nuke 'em all" crowd and need more moderation themselves.

[Chemist_Geek]

And who is arguing against that?

Anyone who isn't 100% in lock-step behind interning all Muslims in the United States at gunpoint, taking their personal and real property, and bombing all overseas Muslims.

[jb6]

Which none arab muslims? In northern Nigeria? Or in Iran? Even Turky had it till Auturk, who still, of course, butchered 3 million Christians of the ethnic minorities. Oh, wait wait, I know, the ones in Burma who are a minority and fighting to make a Shari state, right? Or the Pakistanies or northern India? Or maybe the Chechins in Russia? Nope, they all want Shari. The Taliban was Shari and the new Afghanistan is still not that far away from Shari. Or maybe it's the Abu Nisaif of southern Phillipines? Or maybe the various Jihad armadas floating around the Indonesian islands chopping up Catholics? Yup, you're right, it's just the arab Islamics who want Shari.

[jb6]

Amen

[jb6]

Ahh, but the Christian and the Jew are infidels. Why? Because according to Islam, Moses and Christ were Moslems and this was all known and common knowledge until the 3rd Ecomunical Council, where the evil Christians/Jews rewrote the holy books dropping Islam and Allah and thus this was the reason that Mohammed had to be sent. Thus, while they "accept" the Bible new and old testiment, they do so only in so much that it is exactly the same as the Koran and in all those areas it is not (probably close to 98%) it is wrong and to be discarded.

That is islam, islam has but two houses: Der el Islam (the House of subservance to Allah) and Der el Harb (the House of War).

[jb6]

Yup, that's why those moderates are on all the talk shows and marching in protests against the Islamic. What? They're not? Oh, you mean like that photo of the election official and his 3 body guards pulled out and shot in Iraq? You know the one, where traffic keeps going and no one is paying attention while in the middle of the street these men are shot.

[CyberAnt]

Well .. since the last blast in Ramadi .. we have basically LEFT Saudi soil. There is nothing but a skeleton crew there anymore.

Yes, they are considered an ally, however, so is Russia - but that doesn't mean we are going to sit still and allow either of them to jeopardize our security.

As far as "having to be careful about ... and changing the home of Mecca and Medina" - who said we were even going to try to do that ..?? I don't see any relation to our security and location of Mecca and Medina.

The "sad truth" is I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[jb6]

Hay, I've missed you on these threads, welcome back.

[jb6]

The serious proposals bandied about by some posters here, though, of making Islam illegal in the United States, and of "invading their countries, killing their leaders, and converting them to Christianity" overseas, however, are unacceptable.

Why?

[honest2God]

Get yourself aquainted with the region and its issues, then comment.

[jb6]

You need to read further down the thread where this cleric calls Jews dirty animals rising from swine and monkeys and the enemy past, present and future. Yeah, nothing like saying don't blow up anything in Muslim lands (note not a word about none muslim lands) to make people go soft in the head with visions of holding hands and singing koombaya.

[CyberAnt]

And .. what are your credentials that you have the authority to declare I am not acquainted with the region .. I mean really .. what arrogance!

[honest2God]

YOu should differentiate between the minorities and the majority. No one said no arab muslims promote sharia.

[jb6]

Simple fact is, there is no Islamic nation, except in nations where Islamic is pushed down by secularism, like Turkey and Syria and Algeria, where massive Shari movements are not under way. Also, in many nations with a minority muslim population there are major Shari movements there too, and this goes across the range of ethnic groups and schools of islam.

[SweetCaroline]

....let's see, that would make about three(3) speaking out since 9/11.

[Blowtorch]

Yeah, I read that after posting my first comment. Seems like his current message is out of context with his past calls for violence. I wonder what has changed.

[StoneGiant]

The following information seems to indicate that Taqayyah is primarily a Shia phenomena... Does that mean that the folks we're supporting in Iraq are less trustworthy than the Sunnis? 

-SG

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http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_taqayyah.htm

 

The practice of lying in the Shi'ite faith

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam, what I am going to tell you is somthing that all of us muslims should know about the Shi'ites, this fandamental thing will show us why the Shi'ites can't be trusted, and why the Shi'ites are such of an enemy to Islam, this article of the Shi'ite faith called Taqayyah (concealment, deception or lying) lets the Shi'ites betray us and lie about Hadeeth and the Quran, this is also why a Shi'ite can never be used as a witness, or why he can not narrate Hadeeth, I myself have when talking to Shi'ites have found out that they always lie about Hadeeth for example on of them told me that there was a Hadeeth in Bukhari cursing all of the sahabah, so I asked him for the proof and he said that he had it, so he gave me a page full of references, all which were irrelevant and have nothing to do with this hadeeth. Another Shi'ite once added on a verse to the quran and tried to tell me that this was the quran when I asked for references again he just refused to tell me, since then that Shi'ite has not been around since.

I also warn all you muslims against the "Muslim" chat rooms, as there are many Shi'ites in them, I have found way over 10 who were on at one time you see they pretend to be Sunni Muslims but they try to infiltrate us by quoting their false Hadeeth and try to mislead us, as they trully despise us Muslims. So dear brothers below is evidence that Shi'ites are allowed to lie and not only that, but encouraged to lie to us Muslims.

Please note that the Shi'ites attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja'far as-Sadiq):

"Mix with them(i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116) now this Shi'ite hadeeth means that they should mix with us and try to decieve us..It trully shows us Muslims what the Shi'ites are!

"He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it." now this contradicts the Quran as will be shown below.

"A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari) It is also interesting that the Shi'ites article of Faith "Taqayyah" is just like what the Talmudites (jews who follow the Talmud) say about the Goyyims (non-jews,) as all Talmudites say that they should lie to us non-jews..You see this explains a lot about the Shi'ites and their Similarities with the Jews as the Shi'ite sect was started by Abdullah bin Saba'. (a Jew who started the shi'ite religion, just with the intent of trying to destroy the Muslims..this in explained in the article "Who founded the Shi'ite Religion")

"Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110) This shows us that Shi'ites have to lie to us as if they don't then they will not be called Muslims by other Shi'ites....it shows us how sick is the Shi'ite faith.

Concerning the verse, "Verily the most noble of you in Allah's sight is the most God-fearing (atqaakum)" , the Shia attribute the following interpretation of "atqaakum": "That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah (dissimulation) (Al-I'tiqadat)

So as you can see, the Shi'ites beleive that they should decieve us with their lies, as the Shi'ites hate us, sunni muslims, by calling us worse than dogs....("Although Allah, the Exalted, has not created a creature worse than a dog, yet a Nasbi (ie. A Sunni) is worse than even a dog." here is the Shi'te book that this lie came from (Haqqul Yakeen (Persian) Vol 2, P. 516)

So my dear Muslims now you know just a small part of what the Shi'ites say in their books which insult the meaning of Islam with their superstisious ideas and horrible lies against the Sahabah. (the prophets Companions)

Now I will finish of with this magnicificant ayah from the Quran which shows us that Taqayyah (deception, lying etc) is forbidden in Islam.. and the Shi'ites practice this Taqqayah on us Muslims!!! so dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam, Allah states in the Noble Quran: "Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur'an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse." (2:159)

And the statement of the Prophet (s.a.w) who said: "Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement." (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)

So dear Brothers and Sisters, now Inshallah we can see beyond the Curtain concealing the Shi'ites true beleifs and not just the ones that he wishes to show us.... Inshallah Allah will guide us to the truth and may we all see the Shi'ites for what they are..... Ameen.

 

 

 

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/shia_belief_concerning_taqiyyah.htm

 

THE SHIA BELIEF CONCERNING TAQIYYAH :

This is one of the most Important Imami Shia doctrine this doctrine is know as Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute lot od fabricated ahaadeeth for doctrine called Taqiyyah which means that a person holds a specific belief in his heart but his speech is contrary to his inner beliefs and it is through this that they deceive the Ahlus Sunnah. They claim to believe in the Quran and in the Sahabah (R.A) whereas this is not their belief. They accuse Nabi (SAW) and the Ahle Bayt of this as well. They write many virtues of Taqiyyah so that they can use this weapon to the utmost. They say: "He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it."

The following references concerning Taqiyyah are established strictly from Shia literature.

1.     From 10 parts of Deen, 9 portions depends upon Taqiyyah. [Usole Kafi, part2 - Kitabul Imaan wal kufr, Babut Taqiyyah, line 5, Riwayah , new iranian edition].

2.     "A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari)

3.     The imam mentioned that the most beloved thing on the surface of earth is Taqiyyah. [Usole kafi, part 2. kitabul Imaan wal Kufr, Babut Taqiyyah, Line 12, Riwayah 4, page 217, New Iranian Edition].

4.     The imam has mentioned that Taqiyyah is the coolness of his eyes. [Usole Kafi, part2, Kitabul Imaan wal Kufr, line1, Riwayah 14, page 217, new Iranian Edition].

5.     He who does not act upon Taqiyyah is void of faith. [Tafseere Safi, part1, Faiz Kashani, page 253, New TehranEdition].

6.     It is permissible to join the gatherings of the nasibis (non shia) by acting upon Taqiyyah. [Athare Haideri Urdu, (tafseer hasan askari) by Shareef Husain, line 15, page 500, Imamiyah kutub khana Edition, Lahore].

7.     "Mix with them (i.e.non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)

8.     Concerning the verse, "Verily the most noble of you in Allah's sight is the most God-fearing (atqaakum)" , the shia attribute the following interpretation of "atqaakum": "That is, your deeds done by Taqiyyah (dissimulation) (Al-I'tiqadat)

It is interesting to contrast this doctrine of calculated deception with Allah's statement in the Holy Qur'an: "Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur'an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse." (2:159)

And the statement of the Prophet (SAWS) who said: "Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement." (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)

 

 

[Gondring]

Because FR is a forum dedicated to preserving the Constutition, not treating it like a dirty rag and other such un-American such things.

[Gondring]

You need to read the news more, and you might not miss those in Europe who have organized and/or participated in marches against violence.