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One Mad Old Ranger..Just Watched The Documentary "The Fog Of War"!
HBO documentary | 1/23/05 | timydnuc

Posted on 01/23/2005 5:51:32 AM PST by timydnuc

I just finished watching this dangling drip of snot called "The Fog of War" staring the Strange one himself Robert Strange McNamera and I am one p#ssed off Ranger. This entire film was a presentation to vindicate Robert Strange McNamera from the guilt he and Landslide Lyndon shared in the indecision that cost the lives of 58,000 men in Vietnam. By simplly listening to the taped conversations between those two traitors you can tell who got left behind........WE DID, and they could have cared less.

If you really want to see this garbage then go ahead, but be careful, you'll need an emesis basin. Bobby boy is a very guilty man, and it shows, but his blatent liberalism shows as well. He portrays himself as a victim not as the cowardly bastard that he really was. The most worthless pantload to ever serve as Secretary of Defense gets about an hour and a half to show how he killed 25,000 men (His quote. At the end of his tenure 25K had died, but he was responsible for all 58K).

I'm sick and tired of these idiots trying to blame everybody else for their cowardace. Take the blame or shut up! He also attemps to besmerch the name of Curtis LaMay. To all you Nam vets, don't watch, make love to your wife, fix a chair, go hunting, do something else. This drivel is a waste of our time.


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Sorry for the early AM review, but I need to vent my anger!
1 posted on 01/23/2005 5:51:33 AM PST by timydnuc
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To: timydnuc
Hey Ranger,

I knew better than to waste 15 seconds watching anything that ass had to say. As is usual the lefty's (and McNamara was a lefty) do really dumb crap then explain it all away by blaming everyone else.

The basic fact is that they lost their political nerve and then compounded their stupidity and cowardice by interfering in the military operations. I remember stories of LBJ spending the day picking out targets for the Navy and Air Force to bomb

Asses!!!!

2 posted on 01/23/2005 5:57:49 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: timydnuc

Yep...bawls a a baby over JFK getting shot, but not a tear or any sign of emotion over all the boys he sent over there, nor for any that died in the firebombing of Japan for that matter.


3 posted on 01/23/2005 6:02:53 AM PST by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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To: An Old Marine

Amen Marine. He spent 4 seconds on Ka Sahn....Marines die, but they don't give up. God bless you all Marines. We need you now more than ever.


4 posted on 01/23/2005 6:08:33 AM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: Brian Mosely

Was Mac part of the Kennedy Administration too?

I read his book, what a self serving piece of crap that was.


5 posted on 01/23/2005 6:09:17 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Oh yes.


6 posted on 01/23/2005 6:10:06 AM PST by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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To: tet68

Yes, he was, and he was a incompetent a$$hole then too.


7 posted on 01/23/2005 6:10:58 AM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: timydnuc

"He portrays himself as a victim not as the cowardly bastard that he really was."

Pithy and poignant.....You go dude. Telling it like it is.


8 posted on 01/23/2005 6:19:22 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: timydnuc
McNamara is ninety years old. The old bastard should swing from a gallows for letting so many good men die knowing his approach to the Viet Nam War was nothing but a recipe for needless casualties.

Nixon bombed the hell out of Hanoi for a few weeks and the commie bastards started talking peace.

Democrats have no idea how to win a war.

9 posted on 01/23/2005 6:19:25 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: tet68

Yeah, and he was also the one for screwing up the Department of Defense by forcing numerical analysis and bean counting into its military planning and operations. Remember the infamous "body counts" and such? To a great degree, DoD has not recovered from his tenure, since the bean counters still run things there.


10 posted on 01/23/2005 6:25:36 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: timydnuc
. . . but be careful, you'll need an emesis basin.

I had to look up "emesis" . . . LOL . . . but you're probably right. Good word.

Sorry for the early AM review, but I need to vent my anger!

You and your brother and sister Viet-Vets have every reason to be angry. But not just at McNamara . . . I, too, let you down . . . to my eternal shame. Just as the rest of the SILENT MAJORITY let you down when we allowed the Liberal Hate-America'ers to spew their filth unchallenged.

I was just a pup in the late 60's and early 70's . . . but I could've and should've spoken up for what I believed in. And I damn sure should've raised all kinds of hell when the first warrior was spit on!

But I didn't. I felt helpless. The Walter Cronkites and Dan Rathers of the world had a total monopoly of the press and I felt there was no way to get my message out. But there was . . . somehow . . . I just didn't have the courage and dedication you Vets showed.

Like most Americans . . . I just remained silent. I abandoned you. I allowed you and your reputations to be sullied for thirty years . . . I'm sorry . . . I'm truly ashamed.

But I vowed then to NEVER make the same mistake again. That's why I fight as hard as I can for our current-day Warriors. I will never, never, ever make that mistake again!

The SwiftBoat Vets showed us what you Viet-Vets are made of. Even now you're willing to fight on the frontlines for what you believe in. I salute you, sir.

And I will honor your review and not even watch a commercial for The Fog of War.

11 posted on 01/23/2005 6:32:57 AM PST by geedee (American by birth. Texan by choice and attitude. Conservative by God. Disabled by hubris.)
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To: geedee

Hey, hey, hey! You didn't let us down. You admitted, you were just a "pup". You were the people we were sent to protect and defend. You were the generation of Americans that we are counting on now to protect and defend us old bastards. You see how that works? Every American gets his turn. You take yours, and I'm proud to be protected and defended by you.


12 posted on 01/23/2005 6:39:31 AM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: timydnuc

I DESPISE JFK! I would love NOTHING better that to piss on that STUPID "eternal" Flame at Arlington. JFK was the MSM's baby and everyone that was in his debacle(admin) get foreverly fawning treatment in the MSM. In 1963 JFK had around a 40% approval rating and prob would have lost the 1964 election. LBJ was elected by the sheeple as a sympathy vote for the boy idiot JFK! O and by the way JFK was DIRECTLY responsible for the Cuba Bay of Pigs screw-up as well.


13 posted on 01/23/2005 6:39:44 AM PST by zzen01
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

You're absolutely correct, and thanks for the historical input.


14 posted on 01/23/2005 6:46:07 AM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: timydnuc


Just goes to show that age and wisdom are not synonymous. Hell, I once did a PLF into 3/4 ton. Volunteered for a recon unit with 101st in Nam; and even told my wife the truth about a new hair style, once. But I'm not dumb enough to watch ANYTHING that the Whiz kids King of Whine has to say! :)


15 posted on 01/23/2005 6:49:17 AM PST by womcg ((was in hospital longer than Kerry was in country) ))
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To: zzen01
Let's not blame JKF for everything. If we did we would be worse hypocrites that the RATS. The circumstances of the time guided Kennedy to his decisions. He had a terribly liberal cabinet and a Congress full of scared cats. Had Eisenhower had a third term I doubt, seriously, whether this thing would have happened. Regan proved that courage, in the face of the enemy, is the only thing that will stop them, as does GW every day that he is President.

Face a bully with courage and resolve and he will back down, kick his a$$ and he'll go away forever. The enemies of this nation need to see a whole lot more of courage, resolve, and a$$kickin' right about now.

16 posted on 01/23/2005 6:57:12 AM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: timydnuc

JFK was President SO "The Buck Stopped There"!


17 posted on 01/23/2005 6:58:57 AM PST by zzen01
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To: timydnuc

+ I get SO tired of JFK ALWAYS getting a Pass because he was killed! He was a lousy president!


18 posted on 01/23/2005 6:59:50 AM PST by zzen01
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To: timydnuc

I saw the movie about six months ago, so it's a little fuzzy to me now, but I thought it was excellent. The film-maker/interviewer allowed the true McNamara come through as he is; a tormented soul. The camera technique was captivating.

The thing that struck me was that RSM remarked that he though JFK was about to reduce troop strength in Vietnam and that he, "loved and respected" him. Later in the documentary, talking about LBJ, who he said he, "loved and respected," also said he supported LBJ's massive increased troop strengths in Vietnam. RSM needs to be a tormented soul for not standing up for something.


19 posted on 01/23/2005 7:04:05 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: womcg
"Volunteered for recon in the 101st".

So, YOU were the guy! Damned glad to meet you. I was 101 Ranger and we heard stories about them VOLUNTEERS. Just never heard of one that was alive. Congrats on your survival.

20 posted on 01/23/2005 7:04:22 AM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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