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I'm not sure Hitler even understood the theory of evolution except in the most superficial, popular sense; but he was most definitely well versed in Christian doctrine, and he used Christian metaphors his whole life.

You have used one of Hitler's speeches to illustrate Hitler's alleged passion for Christianity, when his private documents and communications reflect his contempt for Christianity. Hitler was notorious for using Darwinian/Marxist philosophy -- see "master race." c

Your logic is very simple-minded...According to your logic, the above video proves Clinton was a Christian because he was carrying a Bible and walking with the "Holy-man" Tony Campolo (apostate though he may be)...Hitler and Clinton's actions betray their respective deception, so to accept prima fascia speech's either made would be foolish at best...Lip service does not a Christian make, nor evolution prove.

Hitler was notorious for using Darwinian/Marxist philosophy -- see "master race'

Feel free to point to the use of this term in anything written by either Darwin or Marx.

According to your logic, the above video proves Clinton was a Christian because he was carrying a Bible and walking with the "Holy-man"

Let's forget Clinton, and talk about Martin Luther. I posted some of Martin Luther's more rabid antisemitic rants earlier; I can post them again if you like. There was very little done to the Jews by the Nazis that martin luther did not explicitly advocate to the German rulers of his time; He said they should be enslaved, and their rabbis executed. The major Christian denomination in Germany 1933-1945 was, in fact, the Evangelical Lutheran Church.

Was Martin Luther not a Christian?

That clinton clip is an excellent illustration; but I suspect that the 'other side' will find using Hitler to beat over the Christian's heads is something they will under no circumstances ever release, regardless of the data provided.

Basically using the worst boogeyman to attack someone else is very common choice regarding the way people think. It isn't just the right wing atheists here either; it's also a top choice among leftists. But why?

Because Hitler evokes astoundingly negative emotions. And when your arguments (esp re evolution) are not positively compelling, it's time to call up the boogeyman in order to impugn the arguments that do, indeed, 'make sense'.

I guess we should look at this as a kind of 'good' sign; but using this degree of total illogic to defend the rightness of evolution ... it is a big mystery.,,,

Until one studies the profoundly deviant sexual history of the original members of the leadership of the nazi party. When you review that, and review what 'socialist' w/i the n.a.z.i label meant, it really starts to gel. Nazis were every bit as anti-christian as were the communists - they were just less overt in their approach to neutalizing it.

But these kinds of discussions, like the evo threads here week after week have shown, has proven to be verboten.

Lip service does not a Christian make, nor evolution prove.

It appears as if Herr Schickelgruber was losing it as early as Apr 12, 1922. Here is the "quote" in some context.

MUNICH SPEECH OF APRIL 12, 1922

And today people are saying yet again that we were 'agitators.' I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD'S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago - a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people

It seems odd to appeal to a "greater" when taking the opposite position, let alone do some historical reworking. I never knew it was hordes of Jewish barbarians that brought about the downfall of Rome.

Finally, in a "rousing" conclusion, the Schick, makes a statement which would hardly qualify as embracing Christianity.

That is the mightiest thing which our Movement must create: for these widespread, seeking and straying masses a new Faith which will not fail them in this hour of confusion, to which they can pledge themselves, on which they can build so that they may at least find once again a place which may bring calm to their hearts.