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To: Right Wing Professor
Yeah, right. He was a baptized Catholic, he asked for and drew support from Christians, he made statements that he was doing God's work; and the Holocaust he brought about was just the last in a long series of mass extermination attempts against the Jews conducted by European Christians, starting in the Middle Ages, continuing with the Spanish Inquisition, Martin Luther's tirades the Jews, the pogroms of central and Eastern Europe, etc.

Occasional bad blood is one thing, mass murder campaigns are something else. I'm not aware of any real extermination campaigns against Jews in Europe prior to Hitler and history does not support the idea of anything like that. Again Jews were all moving INTO Germany and Poland after Tamerlane and the big Jewish prayer at the time was "May all Jews speak German this time next year!"

I mean who the hell goes to that much trouble to migrate into some place where they plan on being exterminated?

Other than that, it's far from clear that Ukrainian pogroms were discriminatory regarding Jews. They used to talk about getting rid of both the 'yid' AND the 'yak' (polyack), and Poles were catholics then as now.

I mean, basically, it's not obvious to me that Jews ever got treated that much worse than anybody else in Europe. They sure as hell never got treated any worse than the Irish.

Basically, Christianity does not provide any sort of a philosophical basis for genocidal extermination campaigns. Evolutionism does.

563 posted on 01/25/2005 7:25:04 AM PST by judywillow
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To: judywillow
Basically, Christianity does not provide any sort of a philosophical basis for genocidal extermination campaigns. Evolutionism does.

You mean, nothing like this:

I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all hristians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.

---Martin Luther, the Jews and their Lies, 1543

Lest anyone think I'm down on Protestants, the Spanish Inquisition and the pogroms were each responsible for the genocidal extermination of thousands of Jews.

564 posted on 01/25/2005 7:49:22 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: judywillow
I mean, basically, it's not obvious to me that Jews ever got treated that much worse than anybody else in Europe. They sure as hell never got treated any worse than the Irish.

LOL. You would do well in Saudi Arabia.

567 posted on 01/25/2005 8:51:33 AM PST by js1138
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To: judywillow
I'm not aware of any real extermination campaigns against Jews in Europe prior to Hitler and history does not support the idea of anything like that.

Holy CRAP! And you think you have an education? Ask for your refund now!

590 posted on 01/25/2005 11:46:06 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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