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To: AndrewC
"Serious problem" does not look like falsify to me nor even you, as you have just argued that ....

Finding that skeleton would falsisfy many things within evolution including the fossil record, but other things could very well stay intact. I think you greatly underestimate how enormous evolution is. We are talking hundreds of thousands of published papers on the subject!

You still haven't shown how my statement can be twisted into the pretzel you have tried to invent.

Yes I did! When a theory is established, that is NOT the end of the field of study! They don't all pack up and go home, which is what you are implying.
Your logic: "Since there are still discoveries being made in evolution, that means there are things evolution does not explain, therefore it is false." <-- beyond stupid logic!

It is not often that the audience at a scientific meeting gasps in amazement during a talk. But that is what happened recently when researchers revealed that they had deleted huge chunks of the genome of mice without it making any discernable difference to the animals.

Exactly my point! How is this any different from my theory of flight example!!!! There are things within flight that need to be worked out, EXACTLY like this DNA thing. So I say again, is the theory of flight a lie? It does not explain everything about flight... Why is only evolution held up to your scrutiny?

It was assumed that most conserved sequences would consist of genes coding for proteins. But an unexpected finding when the human and mouse genomes were compared was that there are actually more conserved sequences within the deserts of junk DNA, which does not code for proteins.

haha, don't post things like this as if you have ANY idea what it means. Maybe on the surface, but there are so many implications and considerations that you are a fool to try and extrapolate more out of it. There is SO much underneath that we don't understand about this data. What exactly is your background in genetics BTW? hmmm, non-existant? I know how much there is to learn before you have any clue what you are talking about when it comes to a field of sciecne, because I studied one of them. The simple fact that you think you can make conclusion about genetics without having any sort of education on the subject proves you have never studied any science.

BTW, this data you keep copy-n-pasting, where did it come from? The scientific community. So... you trust them enough to copy their data, but not to believe their conclusions? If all these geneticists and molecular biologists are heathen liars, then why are you looking at anyhting they say? Wouldn't ALL their data be tainted by satan?

The scientific community has unequivocally expressed their support of evolution and denounced ID/creationism as pseudoscience. If you think they are all such big liars, then you can't trusdt anything they do, including their coveted "scientific method", so go do your own research and stop steraling theirs!
326 posted on 01/24/2005 4:22:52 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: Alacarte; Right Wing Professor
Can you tell me the idea behind ID? I doubt it? How about Right Wing Prof?

The scientific community has unequivocally expressed their support of evolution and denounced ID/creationism as pseudoscience.

There are many within the scientific community who support ID. Many educators like to treat ID as a pariah, but I find those actually in science more open minded about the subject. Many biologists are against it -- but then again they most always don't design anything! Laugh.
329 posted on 01/24/2005 4:39:59 PM PST by nasamn777 ("ID is just a trick to teach Creationism" -- Mr Ignorant)
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To: Alacarte

spell check is our friend


360 posted on 01/24/2005 5:49:10 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Alacarte
Yes I did! When a theory is established, that is NOT the end of the field of study! They don't all pack up and go home, which is what you are implying. Your logic: "Since there are still discoveries being made in evolution, that means there are things evolution does not explain, therefore it is false." <-- beyond stupid logic!

Your inept attempt at "logic" is laughable.

The following is what I posted.

No you wouldn't. The faithful would cry out, that it is just an anomaly. Look at all the other evidence. Just ignore the skeleton as something curious and unexplainable for the moment. We essentially found a similar situation when some "junk" DNA of humans and mice were identical(humans, mice, and the common ancestor lie in the same strata). There is no reason for that situation to have occurred according to Darwin's theory.

Find anywhere in that statement, the statement you allege I made which was, "Since there are still discoveries being made in evolution, that means there are things evolution does not explain, therefore it is false."

I am arguing exactly the opposite of what you allege. The statement I allege is false, is the one that claims evolution would be falsified by finding human and dinosaur bones in the same strata(i.e. "Find a human skeleton in the same strata as dino bones and you would falsify evolution."). I argue that it will not falsify evolution, and you are claiming that I am arguing that it is falsified. I provided an example to demonstrate that Darwinian evolution is still wandering about despite a situation which is similar to the bone situation. You are only proving that you have an inability to understand argument.

372 posted on 01/24/2005 6:11:20 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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