Posted on 01/23/2005 1:11:01 AM PST by rdb3
It IS possible to run out of ideas without being so obvious about it...
See post 559.
Since, if you were an honorable man, you'd now admit you were wrong, I'll accept your apology.
Occasional bad blood is one thing, mass murder campaigns are something else. I'm not aware of any real extermination campaigns against Jews in Europe prior to Hitler and history does not support the idea of anything like that. Again Jews were all moving INTO Germany and Poland after Tamerlane and the big Jewish prayer at the time was "May all Jews speak German this time next year!"
I mean who the hell goes to that much trouble to migrate into some place where they plan on being exterminated?
Other than that, it's far from clear that Ukrainian pogroms were discriminatory regarding Jews. They used to talk about getting rid of both the 'yid' AND the 'yak' (polyack), and Poles were catholics then as now.
I mean, basically, it's not obvious to me that Jews ever got treated that much worse than anybody else in Europe. They sure as hell never got treated any worse than the Irish.
Basically, Christianity does not provide any sort of a philosophical basis for genocidal extermination campaigns. Evolutionism does.
You mean, nothing like this:
I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all hristians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
---Martin Luther, the Jews and their Lies, 1543
Lest anyone think I'm down on Protestants, the Spanish Inquisition and the pogroms were each responsible for the genocidal extermination of thousands of Jews.
If there was any kind of sensible point in your post, sadly it passed me by. My fault probably. I never knew that the Founding Fathers worked closely with Behe and Dembski, but now I stand corrected.
LOL. When do you start not being so obvious?
LOL. You would do well in Saudi Arabia.
Ability to rant noted.
Complete inability to frame any kind of sensible argument about whether ToE is true or not noted.
1. It's junk science.
2. As junk science goes, it's dangerous junk science. Naziism and communism were based on it.
3. It's totally incompatible with Christianity or any other believable religion.
4. It's part and parcel of certain kinds of agendas, which have nothing to do with conservatism. Granted not all gay people are agenda freaks, but the ones who are love evolutionism.
There are four things people try to point out about JudyWillow's beliefs in these discussions:
1. It's junk religion.
2. As junk religion goes, it's dangerous junk religion. Hatred of scientists, atheists, and gays, are based on it. Left unchecked it will ultimately destroy all the freedoms that America has stood for.
3. It is totally incompatible with reason.
4. It's part and parcel of certain kinds of hatefulness, which have nothing to do with conservatism. Granted not all who share JudyWillow's beliefs are hate freaks, but the ones who are hate almost everyone who doesn't share their bigotted worldview.
I feel shame that my politics cause people to associate me with hate-freaks like JudyWillow.
With a sentence as self-contradictory as the above, it is becoming clearer the mind that validates evolution...A dog chasing angrily its own tail comes to mind.
I am beginning to think that evolutionism actually reverses, or at least stunts, the evolution of humanity.
The above quote illustrates two things: 1) Hitler's anti-Semitism WAS based on racial "knowledge" and 2) socialists/evolutionists tend toward evil/lies.
You asked me to expound. :-)
You probably have experienced a great professor. The reason they are great is because they completely understand their subject and can convey it to their students by bridging topic specific language to concepts the students understand. Real life experience will demonstrate to you how much of an exception these people are. I understand the fact that vocabulary plays a big part in categorizing various scientific mechanisms and formula. But the good scientists don't purposefully hide behind the language.
You overlook the fact that "elite" scientists will formulate a model which is frequently incorrect. Like a Meteorologist who gets the forecast completely wrong, the nature of science is that the theories are often proven to be wrong. Science in the area of Evolution is an imperfect science.
You guys have the tendency to disregard anything that disagrees with your idea of truth. You fail to continue reading the potentially valuable information because you chalk it off as Creationoid. When a scientist that was formerly accepted as credible begins shifting their perspective toward Design theory, they are immediately labeled a quack. This method of investigation is typical of the left. "I have already made up my mind, don't confuse me with any new information or a different view. Anyone showing a hint of ID colors has discredited themselves."
Conservatives are willing to wade through the hogwash to get to some meat (In science, by its very method, this is the rule as opposed to the exception). Because conservatives -- and our Founding Fathers -- have the innate belief that, free from oppressive brainwashing, our brains actually function well.
Consider also the fact that highly specialized scientists are like a Fire Marshall. They lose site of a balanced perspective on their subject because they are to close to it. For scientists in the past, this was not the case. A Fire Marshall will demand that schools keep all of the doors closed, because it has been shown that closed doors are the single most effective safety feature regarding fires. So on the infinitesimal chance that a fire will occur, children are forced to sit in stale closed door classrooms across the country.
This overspecialization creates islands of knowledge that don't overlap, which creates a vacuum of overall scientific understanding. Like lawyers who have created a vocabulary to protect the application of law, scientists have created topic specific vocabulary that some use to protect their genre.
I am convinced, through personal experience, that scientists that really understand their subject, have no problem relating very complex ideas in plain English, transcribing topic specific vocabulary to relateable verbiage (I understand that interdepartmental use of specific language can save time when relating information between experts). A person who desires a more in-depth understanding of scientific topics can learn the vocabulary, sans the interpretations, in a short period of time.
My join date versus yours suggest the troll sits at your desk...Welcome to FreeRepublic...Now straighten your act or you won't last long.
Lest anyone think I'm down on Protestants, the Spanish Inquisition and the pogroms were each responsible for the genocidal extermination of thousands of Jews.
Genocide by definition means an attempt to kill ALL of them. I just do not see that in Germany until Hitler. I mean, Germans are totally competent people, inventive, industrius and all that and, if Martin Luther had convinced them to esterminate Jews, it would not have taken them 500 years.
The basic reality is that Luther, despite any personal failings he might have had, taught Germans and others as well to read and learn what Christ himself had said instead of relying upon the interpretations of the catholic priesthood and, once the people started doing that, then so long as Christianity prevailed in those lands there would be no fear of genocide since nothing Christ himself ever said could be interpreted that way.
It was only after Christianity had been essentially replaced with one of the great isms based upon the theory of evolution that any of these darker demons in the German psyche would ever be acted upon.
Aside from that, the story of the twentieth century involves two such great isms and not just one. The communists outdid the nazis in sheer numbers of victims and the other really big "holocaust" of the twentieth century was the commie holocaust against Christian Russia and the Ukraine and the artificial famines and, for whatever it's worth, an awful lot of the commie officials involved in such affairs were Jews and everybody in Europe knew about that, and the backlash from all that was added to any animosity towards Jews which might have been leftover from Martin Luther. In other words, Jews caught a sort of a double whammie from Charles Darwin in the twentieth century.
The hate spouted here by the purported "Christians" boggles my mind. They put down other religions, damn strict bible literalists to hell and advocate teaching matters of faith as fact in public classrooms. When you disagree they call you a troll and threaten to have you banned. So much for friendly discussion and debate on an internet forum. Some of the people here are getting as rabid, intolerant and out of touch with reality as DU and just as ridiculous.
And you're calling ME a hate monger??????
You should google Christian Social Movement in Austria before you embarrass yourself further.
Complete failure to expound on your bizarre contention that quantum theory has not advanced for the last 150 years noted.
Continuing failure to name a single achievement of modern creation science noted.
Further repetition of fallacious "great dead scientists who were creationists" argument noted.
Continuing failure to correct errors on your profile page noted.
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