Posted on 01/22/2005 7:19:22 PM PST by Born Conservative
Oh no, lets not hold teachers accountable. My Lord what is this country comming too?
That should be coming and let's. Teachers are held accountable more than people believe. I wish my salary figures as a teacher were even remotely close to those offered here (after 9 years as a teacher).
As a teacher, I don't think it's all bad either. Some will make much more and some will make much less than people believe. I once saw something where the average teacher's salary in my state was listed at $49,000. Yet our top teacher salaries in my district didn't even reach that. Mine is much, much less than that. Yet, I won't say I'm impoverished though (though I definitely won't say I'm rich either).
I strongly believe ALL public employees salary, expenses, retirement and other benefits should be prominently displayed to the Public.
Some posters here argue that, in the case of some schoolteachers, there are out of pocket expenses paid by the teacher that are not reimbursed. IMO That is wrong and distorts the actual cost of education at schools. Perhaps a standard allowance for materials should be granted but actual expenditures should be reimbursed in some way and properly disclosed as well.
Just like many other jobs (doctors, social workers, retail managers, etc.) the real salary really isn't shown due to extra hours and personal expenses. I spend at least a month's worth of salary each year on my classroom and spend thousands of hours each year outside the classroom for my job that are unpaid. Note that I know that this is not the only occupation that does so.
I am SOOO TIRED of you WHINERS!!!!
Me too, but from both ends. I'm sick of the education liberals who sit and complain, finding negativity and fault wherever they can (using biased liberal media reports sometimes), promoting a liberal political agenda against public ed. I don't like teachers who have nothing to do but complain too.
We're not all demos. Man, $96,000. I will never make that in my lifetime if I keep teaching (I might get up to about half of it if I'm lucky). Wow! Where can I sign up?
Teddy Kennedy wrote the "No Child Left Behind" bill, honey.
That's why I consider no child's behind left liberal.
Yes, let's resort to name calling. You forgot to use the classic adjectives hateful and phobic.
Good point:)
One reason I don't much respect public school teachers.
I was taught to respect teachers by my father and mother. I learned from each one that I had growing up (as have all my brothers and sisters). The precedent though was set by loving grandfathers who stressed the importance of education to both of their families. Their legacy still continues today and I feel lucky to be part of their family.
My perception of public school teachers here in Illinois is that they are unqualified or motivated to have a real job. They are usually English or arts majors, who cannot function in the real world.
Part of that is because of the actions of educational liberals who while offering lip service saying we should have more qualified teachers, are making it easier for any Joe Schmo to become as such.
Public education without the option of vouchers is like Social Security without the option of opting out...no competition makes for a poor product output...more government bureaucracy and waste...
Vouchers are another big government welfare program.
Git yer kids out of publik skools.
Hmmm, Billy Bob Joe McGilliciddy, I guess you can then milk the cows or shoot the cow pies more then.
I applaud your extra efforts to do the job well. I just think that doing this 'Off the books' so to speak clouds the real cost of the effort. I would much prefer to see the actual, real expenses accounted for and reimbursed. Only then can the true costs be compared against benefits/output. By this means society can both measure true performance and make informed decisions about the allocation of limited resources across numerous needs.
As a teacher, I don't even think we should get paid for our extra time. It is part of the job. I don't think all teachers spend hours upon hours extra, but there are lots that do and don't seek any recognition for it. Most states do give out some reimbursement, but it is limited, as it should be. What concerns me more as an educator is the hatefulness, complaining, negativity, etc. that some of the education liberals have developed against teachers. Those are the attitudes I see with anti-war protestors, anti-abortionists, etc. "Real" people should be above the name-calling. It's not something I try to teach my first grade students.
If you will look at your local school districts website you will see the teacher's pay scale. It should be under the Human Resource Dept.
Most if not all school districts now post the faculty and staff's pay scales.
As you go on to point out, many teachers do not put forth the extra effort and both that fact and the fact of extra efforts going unrecorded and unrecognized in the system are a problem IMO. The failure to accurately and completely measure the inputs (Time, Money, Other resources) makes comparison of the outputs (Educated and socially adept adults in this instance) meaningless and/or subject to manipulation. The same is true of any activity, economic or otherwise.
IMO until the "True" costs of education are recognized, then any measurement of the performance of our educational institutions is meaningless and, in most cases, actually impedes the achievement of the goal of educational excellence.
So I say, monitor and pay all costs, compare the cost against established and agreed upon standards of measurement and let the dice fall where they may. Again, IMO to hide, or otherwise depend on the dedication of individuals to absorb, on their own, the costs of any activity only leads to inefficiency and disparities in the allocation of benefits from these activities.
Again, IMO to hide, or otherwise depend on the dedication of individuals to absorb, on their own, the costs of any activity only leads to inefficiency and disparities in the allocation of benefits from these activities.
I don't think that will be possible in the political climate of today to pay all costs involved. What I do think could change is the attitude of people involved and all parties involved working together to make a complete product. I do think we should in many cases of those in the military though.
Yep. Homeschooled kids can do all that stuff and still get the personalized attention and first rate schooling they need. Yeehaw!
In Minnesota, the funding per pupil is on the order of $11,000 a year. Give HS parents half that amount to school their own children and watch the revolution. As it is, homeschoolers are burying the publik skools on a shoestring.
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