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Strict car emission rules look likely
Seattle PI ^ | 01/ 22/05 | Kyle Arnold

Posted on 01/22/2005 11:25:06 AM PST by Eva

Strict car emission rules look likely

By KYLE ARNOLD

OLYMPIA -- Washington is likely to join California and six other states in adopting tighter vehicle emissions standards, despite protests from auto dealers.

The proposal, which is drawing strong support in the Legislature, would require the state to adopt the tougher regulations starting in 2009. By 2016, all new cars sold in Washington would have to comply with the new standards, with proponents claiming that emissions would be reduced by 30 percent.

The rules would apply only to cars and light duty trucks.

The federal Clean Air Act allows states either to adopt the 1990 federal emissions standards or follow California's more stringent policy, adopted in September. Adopting California's standards would require that new cars emit 30 percent less carbon dioxide, 20 percent fewer toxic pollutants, and 15 to 20 percent fewer smog-causing pollutants as measured against the federal standards.

Greenhouse gases from car emissions are a major contributor to air pollution and are thought to be a major factor in global warming.

Washington auto dealers and other opponents of House Bill 1397 say the stricter standards would require costlier emissions systems, making cars more expensive and resulting in lost business for auto dealers.

"We intend to be a positive player in the discussions, and we applaud the efforts to fix this ... but we have raised serious concerns about how this legislation will work," said Vicki Giles Fabré, executive vice president for the Washington Auto Dealers Association, representing 337 dealers across the state.

Former Gov. Gary Locke introduced the proposal in December, and now Rep. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, chairman of the House Transportation Committee, is sponsoring the legislation.

Gov. Christine Gregoire has not endorsed Locke's proposal, and a spokeswoman said the governor wouldn't comment until the Legislature approves a bill.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: airpollution; climatechange; emissionstandards; environment; fascism; gasprices; taxes; themostcorruptstate
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The Democrats in south west WA have been working to control the state since the 2000 elections, Gregoire was not their first choice, but she was the best they could do, so they went to the mats for her. Now they are demanding pay back. The repurcussions of this bill will echo across the country. The question that I have in the back of my mind is where are the oil companies in this? Is this going to be another fascist coalition of industry and leftist environmental interests like we saw with the electric companies and the damns?
1 posted on 01/22/2005 11:25:09 AM PST by Eva
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To: Dog Gone

Thoughts?


2 posted on 01/22/2005 11:26:05 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
The question that I have in the back of my mind is where are the oil companies in this?

Why should they care? Regardless of the types of cars on the road in WA, oil refiners will sell gasoline.

3 posted on 01/22/2005 11:28:53 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Eva

Oh, Eva....I'm so sorry this is happening. Regardless of a revote case outcome, she is clearly going to get this legislative session to work her evil. And Ed Murray in charge of transportation affairs? Gad, that man is so freako-whacko, he shouldn't even be school crossing guard.


4 posted on 01/22/2005 11:29:13 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Eva

Just buy your cars in NV, UT or ANY other state that OR, CA or WA! Better yet just move out of those 3 G*d forsaked Hellholes!


5 posted on 01/22/2005 11:31:09 AM PST by zzen01
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To: Paleo Conservative

The reason that the oil refiners may support this legislation is that they will be able to make one formulation for the five states that they ship and reduce refining costs, increasing profits and prices. Northern Whatcom County already pays the highest prices in WA state despite the fact that the oil is refined right there. We pay at least twenty cents a gallon more than King County.


6 posted on 01/22/2005 11:32:31 AM PST by Eva
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To: zzen01

My husband's job is here, but we were just talking about moving to Wyoming when he retires.


7 posted on 01/22/2005 11:33:47 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
I don't think the oil companies are involved in this. They get involved in state laws requiring reformulated gasoline, but this seems targeted at mechanical equipment on vehicles.

Regardless, if this becomes a fact, it's bad news for Washington residents. Increasingly, the west coast is becoming its own niche automobile market. You can't bring in a vehicle from out of state without expensive modifications, and nobody east of you wants that crap on their cars, so the used market is affected as well.

And it's all done in some misguided belief that it makes any difference.

8 posted on 01/22/2005 11:35:15 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

We have no state inspections, though. The reformulated gasoline is also a target of this legislation according to articles that I read this summer, predicting the legislation.


9 posted on 01/22/2005 11:37:37 AM PST by Eva
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To: Dog Gone

Sorry, my husband tells me that I am wrong about the inspections. Rural counties do not have them, but the more populace counties do.


10 posted on 01/22/2005 11:39:12 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
Greenhouse gases from car emissions are a major contributor to air pollution

Greenhouse gases are not pollutants anymore than oxygen is a pollutant.

11 posted on 01/22/2005 11:40:40 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Eva
It's pretty clear that in gasoline formula mandates, the big boys will favor a formula that squeezes the little boys out of business.

America should have one standard for gasoline. It would end regional shortages when a local disruption occurs.

Imagine an America that had some regions running on 80 volt electricity, some on 120, others on 240, and some on 500 volts.

That's what we have in the gasoline market.

12 posted on 01/22/2005 11:43:23 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Always Right

This is all about trying to enact the rules of the Kyoto treaty on a state level, without federal approval.


13 posted on 01/22/2005 11:43:42 AM PST by Eva
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To: farmfriend; CyberCowboy777


14 posted on 01/22/2005 11:44:04 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Dog Gone

That's exactly what I was referring to, California formulation for everyone along with the higher prices and poor performance. The emission controls on CA cars wear out in a very short period and very expensive to replace and cause a lot of damage to the car before they go.


15 posted on 01/22/2005 11:46:52 AM PST by Eva
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To: zzen01

Oregon doesn't have the same regulations as CA and WA. Just the Portland area has smog checks, in the rest of the state you don't need any smog stuff on your car.


16 posted on 01/22/2005 11:52:08 AM PST by blackie
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To: Eva; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
17 posted on 01/22/2005 11:54:28 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: blackie

BUT you got that wierd no self service gas stations rule!


18 posted on 01/22/2005 11:57:13 AM PST by zzen01
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To: farmfriend

Thanks farm friend, this effects Oregon too, and Arizona.


19 posted on 01/22/2005 12:00:47 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
The question that I have in the back of my mind is where are the oil companies in this?

The problem isn't so much with the oil companies as it is with their owners.

Is this going to be another fascist coalition of industry and leftist environmental interests like we saw with the electric companies and the damns?

Do you really have to ask?

20 posted on 01/22/2005 12:01:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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