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To: narby
" Your mistake is to read a word-for-word littalisim into Genesis."

Jesus interpreted Genesis literally. Since He was there when it happened, I take His word for it.

Scientific theories have "evolved" over the years. The scriptures are the same.

I believe in interpreting scripture based on the plain sense of what it says, not trying to fit it into my preconceptions.

If you want to believe man evolved from lower life forms, you can do so.

I will believe in the supernatural and miraculous - things which are anathema to most evolutionists.

The presupposition that all knowledge is obtainable through scientific inquiry is false. Even science demonstrates this possibility (e.g. uncertainty principle).

Further, scientific inquiry does not form the basis of all rational thought or knowledge.

But the crux of the matter is that it is inappropriate to use public schools as a bully pulpit to proclaim that my and other's interpretation of scripture is false. And that is exactly why some of us do not want evolution (as an explanation for origins of species and of man particularly) taught as a fact.

The idea that we can extrapolate present data from scientific observation backwards as a way of knowing history is absurd on the face of it to me. You can no more know that man evolved from lower life forms this way than you can know Nero was a Roman emperor simply from observing modern political trends. We know this historically not scientifically.

No. I do not need to modify my way of interpreting scripture to accommodate beliefs that I do not share. Nor do I feel that my tax dollars should be used to propagate those beliefs.
567 posted on 01/23/2005 9:03:34 AM PST by unlearner
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To: unlearner
Scientific theories have "evolved" over the years. The scriptures are the same.

The Bible has evolved over the years, also. Some sections have been added, some have been removed, some modified in translation and some just made up during translation. There are passages in the KJV that exist nowhere else.

568 posted on 01/23/2005 9:38:19 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: unlearner
I believe in interpreting scripture based on the plain sense of what it says, not trying to fit it into my preconceptions.

I guess you may have some conflict with the "four corners of the earth" and that God took the "earth by the edges" and shook it.

570 posted on 01/23/2005 9:45:33 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: unlearner
But the crux of the matter is that it is inappropriate to use public schools as a bully pulpit to proclaim that my and other's interpretation of scripture is false. And that is exactly why some of us do not want evolution (as an explanation for origins of species and of man particularly) taught as a fact.

There you go again!


571 posted on 01/23/2005 9:49:05 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: unlearner
" Jesus interpreted Genesis literally."

He did not.
Matt 12:38-42
Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you.”

He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here. The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.

God Himself is telling you here, that there is nothing that will ever be found in science that shows He exists, or is responsponsible for any phenomena. Science is that honest endeavor that is a result of Gen3:19,
"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

All that will ever be seen is, that from the ground man arose and to it he shall return. You might be surprised and disappointed in "the plain sence of what this says", but that is what you were told and that is all honest folks will ever find. The sign of the resurrection is the Holy Spirit, the Bread in the Lord's prayer. The Holy Spirit's concern is not with science, it's with Life, Love, Freedom, rights, and morals.

" The presupposition that all knowledge is obtainable through scientific inquiry is false. Even science demonstrates this possibility (e.g. uncertainty principle). Further, scientific inquiry does not form the basis of all rational thought or knowledge. "

Science is rational thought, not the other way around. Science is a rational process that seeks the truth. The unceertainty principle has nothing to do with the claim made.

"the crux of the matter is that it is inappropriate to use public schools as a bully pulpit to proclaim that my and other's interpretation of scripture is false. And that is exactly why some of us do not want evolution (as an explanation for origins of species and of man particularly) taught as a fact."

It's a science class. Scripture doesn't belong there, because it's not a science book. The cut from Gen 3 I gave you says plainly that man came from dust and will return to it. That is what science has found and you argue with it. You are also attempting to conjure up miraculous signs evident in the history of dust with ID, even though you were told they are not there. Where is the honesty and truth in that?

572 posted on 01/23/2005 9:54:50 AM PST by spunkets
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