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To: Southack

"In brief, it is mathematically impossible, given the 17 billion years in age of our universe, for unaided processes to precisely sequence data longer than a few scores."


What do monkeys randomly slapping keys have to do with evolution? There is nothing random about evolution, other than the random mutations during transcription. So he is talking about the origin of life, in which case, he is making statistics on something we don't even understand yet?

"In other words, if you can't fault his math with math of your own, then any attempt to fault his conclusion would be itself unsupported."

Ok, take his conclusion for one monkey, then you have to multpliy it by the billions of planets. On each planet there would by trillions and trillions of different places for these tiny proteins to come together. His example was the chance for one spot on earth to spontaneously create life, it does nto work like that, if it did, he would have used the life, not monkeys. Comparing proteins 'randomly' coming together, which they don't, with monkeys hitting keyboards is just stupid and misleading.

Sounds more like this explanation on probabilities and miracles:

http://www.thesupernaturalworld.co.uk/index.php?act=main&code=01&type=00&topic_id=1630

Looking at the edge of sciecne and saying it "must be god" has been going on for millenia. From fire to lightning all the way up to evolution, science has displaced these argments for god. What makes you think this would be any different? Since we do not currently understand how it works, it must be god?


560 posted on 01/23/2005 7:55:28 AM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: Alacarte; anguish
There is nothing random about evolution, other than the random mutations during transcription. So he is talking about the origin of life, in which case, he is making statistics on something we don't even understand yet?

Believe me, we went through all this the first time that junk was posted - pretty much everything said here was said there, and more, and it didn't do any good. He doesn't get it. He's never going to get it. I say this not to discourage you, but rather to keep you from being discouraged by your lack of progress in persuasion - it's not you, it's him. Really ;)

566 posted on 01/23/2005 9:00:18 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: Alacarte

I think any probability estimate must take into account the reasonable assumption that there are an infinite number of universes, and that somewhere, even the most improbable event has happened.

Aternately, there is the many universe interpretation of quantum theory, in which every possible event actually happens.


585 posted on 01/23/2005 10:54:17 AM PST by js1138
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