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To: VadeRetro
Well, your post was quite excellent until nearing the conclusion.

In reply to my "You cannot test it in a controlled environment."

You said, "Funny you would say that on a thread where we've been hammering the results of lab experiments into a particularly thick skull. It is routinely demonstrated in controlled environments. Read the thread and don't embarrass yourself."

Pray tell, how do you test the effect of millions of years on living things in a laboratory? I concede my ignorance on this matter, but with over 1000 posts, I will ask you to point out the answer.

I do not feel the need to spend years studying biology to to make an observation that is obvious. If we cannot predict the weather accurately two months in advance, how do you propose we can ascertain the environmental conditions that occurred not just hundreds or even thousands but millions of years ago?

Further, name one single characteristic of any living thing that can only be explained by universal common ancestry that cannot also be explained by life having a common designer (I use lower case to include design that does not necessarily represent supernatural). If you cannot answer this, then why do evolutionist insist on ONLY their theory?
1,087 posted on 01/27/2005 7:46:54 PM PST by unlearner
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To: unlearner

A common designer makes sense if you assume a few things: the designer was drunk, incompetent, and malign.


1,088 posted on 01/27/2005 9:40:17 PM PST by js1138
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To: unlearner
Pray tell, how do you test the effect of millions of years on living things in a laboratory?

I was of course only claiming that we can and do routinely demonstrate the adaptive (at the population level) effects of mutation and natural selection in the laboratory. This is particularly easy with bacteria as already noted, although it's often done with fruit flies. But, then, mutation and natural selection are the parts you left out in describing what evolution even is so perhaps you don't think such experiments demonstrate evolution.

However, the evidence for common descent, the part of evolution you have heard of, is overwhelming. The frequently cited "just as good" hypothesis of "common designer," among its weaknesses, is far less tight. In fact, it excludes nothing at all. Anything anyone will ever show you, you can point at it and say, "The Designer left it looking like that." Furthermore, as has been pointed out, what the designer could have been thinking--or drinking--can hardly be imagined.

1,090 posted on 01/28/2005 9:05:42 AM PST by VadeRetro
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