[DixieOklahoma]

before electronic voting in florida, the dems had been able to almost make up a 6% deficit.

In 2000 (with fraud) the democrats lost 50.1% to 49.9%.

In 2004 (without voter fraud) the democrats lost (i believe) 53% to 47%.

the reason for this is that they can not comit voter fraud with electronic voting. If Bush lost Ill. 55% to 45% it is very likely that he really lost by 1% point or even won outright.

[zbigreddogz]

I believe your numbers are inflated. Sure, I'm sure Dem voter fraud probably accounted for a few thousand in Florida 2000, but I seriously doubt as much as you say. Statistically, as far as turnout went, we were FAR better in 2004. So it is illogical to believe that our improved numbers are that large.

So, while I'm sure Bush probably would have improved by a few thousand in Illinois, maybe even a percent, I seriously, seriously doubt it was that close.