Heresy Case Pressed Against Kerry, Others

WorldNet Daily ^ | 21 January 2005 | NA

[John123]

Jesus didn't come for the righteous but the sinners.

Amen.

[Dominick]

Although, I just figured that the seperation of Church (Institutions not religion in general) and State would be compromised if clergy held offices within the government - there'd be a conflict of interest.

Separation of Church and State mandates that Clergy CAN hold office if they so choose. The Catholic Church does not normally permit Clergy to hold elective office, but that decision is made at the Local Ordinary's (Bishop's) level, IIRC.

This is a Church lawsuit, that risks a judgment of excommunication or a declaration that a excommunication has already taken place, or perhaps something else. You can be excommunicated by declaration of the Church, or by yourself by heinous actions. The Former usually requires a formal action to remove it, the latter usually requires the action of a Bishop, who normally allows Priests the faculties to remove such a sentence. Sometimes it is reserved to the Holy See which means Only Rome can reconcile that individual.

This is the application of Canon Law (CIC Canon 1398) also stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 2272):
2272: "Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae, by the very commission of the offense, and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.

The term "latae sententiae" means the individual has broken themselves from the Church, and no further action is required from the Church, but that also does not exclude such action. Searching "CCC 2272" will yield more than you wanted to know on google.

[mike182d]

Thank you very much for the clarification :-)

[NYer]

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[HighlyOpinionated]

It's about time, that's all I can say.

Either The Church "IS" or She is irrelevant.

[Notwithstanding]

Kerry loves abortion and abortion dollars.

End of story.

[DBeers]

well.......i guess you have a point.......I guess I get upset that sometimes this stuff seems so over the top until we do it then it seems reasonable.....

This is the Catholic Church -non-partisan... Unless you are Catholic there is no we unless you are affiliated with them e.g. dems...

[NorCalRepub]

you read out of context......in that sentence I was referring to lawsuits, not abortions

[maryz]

but I never heard him say "I'm pro abortion"....

He sounded pretty enthusiastic about it when he addressed NARAL, campaigning last spring.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Kerry and the rest of them don't care what the Church says.

[DBeers]

you read out of context......in that sentence I was referring to lawsuits, not abortions

How dare you accuse ME of reading out of context!!!!

/end humor

[Salvation]

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[BroncosFan]

Fr. Drinan was a commie priest from Mass. (like there's any other kind) during the Watergate hearings. He had a prominent committee position in the House of Representaives, and was, of course, a Democrat. He made a lot of noise during the last days of Dick (Nixon) nd was a fave of the MSM. Soon thereafter, the Vatican banned priests from holding office in a similar fashion (I'm not sure of the specifics of the rule/order/bull/etc.). But anyway, 'twas the Vatican, not any American authority, who banned him. Furthermore, Jack Danforth, an Episcopal priest (perhaps the last straight white male to hold such a position) was a Senator from Missouri for quite a while. Nevermind every Rev.-Rep. in the Congressional Black Caucus.

[eastsider]

That is not true. Any such law would be unconstitutional.

Correct. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Constitutional provision prohibiting a religious test for holders of public office, as well as the first amendment, is due in part to the first Archbishop of Baltimore (the premier diocese in the U.S.A.), John Carroll:

He represented to Congress the need of a constitutional provision for the protection and maintenance of religious liberty, and doubtless to him, in part, is due the provision in Article Sixth, Section 3, of the Constitution, which declares that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States", and also the first amendment, passed this same year by the first Congress, that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof: (for a more cautious view see SHEA, op. cit., 348).