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Rumsfeld cancels trip after accusations
AlJazeera via Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa) ^ | Friday 21 January 2005 | Correspondent

Posted on 01/21/2005 6:32:56 AM PST by Woliff

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To: Woliff
"That is all that you or I have go on at this time."

As far as I can tell, the source of everything linking Rumsfeld’s decision to some action by a radical rights group is from Al Jazeera (although they claim a German publication source). That’s a no go to go on.

41 posted on 01/21/2005 7:50:24 AM PST by elfman2
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To: Woliff
Okay, I see at least one other publication picked up the story from DPA, so at least al-Jazeera didn’t misrepresent it completely.
42 posted on 01/21/2005 8:02:00 AM PST by elfman2
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To: Woliff

Presumably they'll be prosecuting Denmark and Britian, too.


43 posted on 01/21/2005 8:04:42 AM PST by hershey
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To: elfman2

Here is the English translation of the complaint:

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/legal/september_11th/docs/German_COMPLAINT_English_Version.pdf

Here is a quote from DW 12/14/2004

Indicating the US planned to play a similar game of hardball with Germany, Rumsfeld has informed the German government via the US embassy that he will not take part in the annual Munich security conference in February should the investigation proceed.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1427743,00.html




44 posted on 01/21/2005 9:13:00 AM PST by Woliff
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To: Woliff

The nazis Facist regime that is in control of the Euro agenda with France is pushing the United States at the same time these jerks are part of the U.N. oil for food scandal and the slaes of arms to Saddam Hussein that are being used against us right now.

If anyone should be put on trial it is them.
Ops4 God Bless America!


45 posted on 01/21/2005 9:20:28 AM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: Woliff



Following a scoop by the Hamburg magazine Stern, German law enforcement is investigating four firms for illegal arms trading with Iraq while the country was under a U.N. embargo.

Germany's customs investigators confirmed this week that they raided the offices of four German companies suspected of providing technology and material for Iraq's secret weapons program.

The companies, located in four small cities in southern Germany, are accused of delivering the equipment to Iraq through other countries in 2000. The Customs Office said the evidence came from the magazine Stern, which turned over documents found in archives of the Bashair Trading Company, allegedly the center of Saddam Hussein's weapons acquisition program in Baghdad.



Alongside German companies, firms in Poland, Russia, South Korea, even the United States evaded the United Nations-imposed embargo on Iraq, according to the documents. The weapons embargo forbade companies from trading with Iraq but some continued to do so, risking serious sanctions.



Investigators seized files and computers from the headquarters of the companies KSB AG in Bavaria, Katex Textilien GmbH in Hesse, and MEA Machinery and MEA International North Rhine Westphalia.



No WMD parts delivered


KSB allegedly delivered six chemical pumps, ordered in December 2000 and delivered into Iraq through Jordan. Katex delivered 80 acid pumps in April 2000, through a Jordanian firm. The remaining two companies delivered precision lasers, ordered in September 2000, to Baghdad via a Turkish company. The companies however didn't deliver parts to nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, according to the Stern report.



Investigators say that in some cases it is still unclear if the company's executives were aware of the weapons trade. But Stern recovered one document from an MEA executive that praised the partnership between his firm and Iraq.



Germany has long enjoyed a reputation for high-quality and sophisticated products in the Arab world and Hussein's search for hi-tech weapons and durable parts invariably led him to it during the course of his rule. Since the U.N. imposed the embargo on Iraq following Hussein's invasion of Kuwait in 1990, numerous German firms have come under investigation for illicit trade with the rogue state.



In the months leading up to the United States' military invasion in March 2003, a weapons dossier released by the Iraqi government named 80 German firms said to have worked with the country in developing its weapons program. The illegal arms trade continued all the way up until 2001, according to the dossier.

So what of this info? Germany helped cause the Saddam problem we are fighting to rectify.
Ops4 God Bless America!



46 posted on 01/21/2005 9:30:42 AM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: OPS4

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,980147,00.html
Link to the above article.
Ops4 God Bless America


47 posted on 01/21/2005 9:31:31 AM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: hershey



German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder discussed with the Chinese government on selling a German nuclear material processing plant during his visit to China early in December this year. Germany was astir when the news came because it touched the sensitive nerve of the coalition government of the German Social Democratic Party and the German Green Party, that is, the difference between the two parties over the utilization of nuclear energy. The Green Party was built up through the anti-nuclear movement. Recent days have seen fierce wrangling between the Social Democratic Party and the Green Party. However, viewed from recent development, things are being transformed toward the direction of approved export.

So whem China holds the Nuclear card up and we have to defend an ally in the future, will germany be held accountable?

http://english.people.com.cn/200312/25/eng20031225_131223.shtml

Ops4 God BLess America


48 posted on 01/21/2005 9:37:22 AM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: Woliff

This is nonsense and wasting both or times. I don’t read radical human rights complaints. If the DW link is relevant to any of this it’s just stating the obvious that prosecutions would hurt US-German relations. Then it even backs away from that in this statement: “DiRita said he did not know whether the United States had raised specific concerns directly with the German government.”

I don’t have time for this, but if you find a credible source drawing a connection between Rumsfeld’s cancellation and this worthless group, I’d be interested.


49 posted on 01/21/2005 9:48:54 AM PST by elfman2
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To: Piquaboy
A lot of the Rats in this country were disappointed because we did not go along with and sign the ICC agreement.

Actually, Bill Clinton did sign it, but George W. revoked the presidential signature. That's one of the huge differences between a Democrat president and a conservative Republican president.

50 posted on 01/21/2005 9:53:11 AM PST by Wolfstar (It's official. 'Beezie' is the new WH puppy's call name, per Mrs. Bush on TV 1/19/05.)
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To: Wolfstar; Piquaboy

Even better is that until the US Senate ratifies a Treaty, a President's signature or non-signature matters not one whit...

In fact, a Treaty only becomes law when a President signs a Treaty AFTER the US Senate ratifies said Treaty. The one that Presidents do before Senate ratification are just for "show" to make the evening-news and the front-page of the next day's paper...


dvwjr


51 posted on 01/21/2005 10:46:34 AM PST by dvwjr
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To: OXENinFLA

Never thought I would see the day when freeing 55 million people from tyrannical dispair would be considered a crime.


52 posted on 01/21/2005 11:53:59 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (PEST/Suicide Hotline 1-800-BUSH-WON)
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To: OXENinFLA
THANKS FOR THE PING!

53 posted on 01/21/2005 12:51:34 PM PST by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY to 2008 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: expatpat

What a fitting qoute from MT


54 posted on 01/21/2005 7:40:40 PM PST by perfect stranger (Godel, Escher and Bach. The Eternal Golden Braid)
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To: perfect stranger
IMO, MT is the best American writer, period.

BTW, what makes you so sure you are perfect?

55 posted on 01/21/2005 8:26:11 PM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat
"what makes you so sure you are perfect?"

The word "perfect" is linked with the word "stranger" in many cases. Suprisingly, my Freeper name comes up 10th in the google search.

The name came (among other places) from an album and song by Deep Purple in 1984.

The song is in 5/4 time and I dig the odd time signatures.

56 posted on 01/21/2005 8:48:31 PM PST by perfect stranger (Godel, Escher and Bach. The Eternal Golden Braid)
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To: perfect stranger

Yeah, I was just trying to make a joke! The words are coupled often, and mean someone who you have never met in your life before. But I thought it was amusing to think of it as a stranger who was perfect in all respects....


57 posted on 01/21/2005 9:06:43 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Arnold Zephel

I don't think so. Rumsfeld doesn't sound very Jewish to me. Sounds like a solid German name.


58 posted on 01/22/2005 4:32:40 AM PST by floridarolf
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To: Arnold Zephel

Rumsfeld visited his German family in 1972 and apparently writes letters from time to time. Here is a picture of his aunt from a newspaper article: http://www.roteswinterhude.de/standpauke.htm. You can also give her a quick call and say hello. Her number and those of the other Rumsfelds are in the phonebook at www.teleauskunft.de. But remember the time difference and don't ring her in the middle of the night or during her afternoon nap :). Looks like they all come from this small village near Bremen.

Originally the name is pronounced like Roumsfeld.


59 posted on 01/22/2005 4:47:27 AM PST by floridarolf
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To: floridarolf
My confusion over Rumsfeld's heritage has to do with Neo-Conservatism. Many have accused Rumsfeld of being a Neo-Conservative or aligning himself with Neo-Conservatives.

Check out the following article: 'NeoCon': Slang for Jew?
This particular article doesn't identify Rumsfeld as a 'NeoCon' by I have read others that have done so. But apparently you are right Rummy is not Jewish, as you so sardonically pointed out.

By the way thanks for the 411 on Rummies relatives. I will be sure to give them a ring and tell them hello from you...LOL.
60 posted on 01/22/2005 5:50:32 AM PST by Arnold Zephel
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