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To: John Lenin
Oh C'mon, stop the cheerleading! Peggy did what you should do--be happy we won, but be realistic. She made accurate observations and is right on the mark.

All of us are happy, but some of us are still realists. Cheerleading and the "we can do no wrong" stuff does not fly.

For the record, what in the heck did President Bush mean when he said . . .

"Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another."

I find that very disturbing as it implies more globalism and wealth transfer and less liberty.

49 posted on 01/20/2005 10:00:46 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
I find that very disturbing as it implies more globalism and wealth transfer and less liberty.

Dude!! Get real!! Yes, the world is becoming more interdependent. It ain't gonna get less so. Bush is laying out the groundwork to deal with that reality.

Quit it with your Pat Buchanan BS.

66 posted on 01/20/2005 10:06:58 PM PST by zarf
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
She made accurate observations and is right on the mark.

No, Peggy revealed she has no idea why Bush was elected, what his message has been or why he inspired tens of thousands of volunteers to work on his campaign. She has revealed that she is on the outside looking in on something she simply doesn't understand.

80 posted on 01/20/2005 10:11:18 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

"Liberty does not mean independence from one another"--sounds to me like John Donne's "For Whom the Bell Tolls" when he said we are all a part of the main and when one little piece is lost the bell tolls for all of us instead of the one who is being buried.(paraphrase)

vaudine


88 posted on 01/20/2005 10:14:03 PM PST by vaudine
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
"Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another."
Oh, yeah, I remember being a little bugged by that one. One should be able to be an island, if one so chooses (I don't recommend it, however...). That and the Koran ref bugged me, but beyond them, there was much I loved about the address. And the fact that it was W up there, and not...
 
;^)

90 posted on 01/20/2005 10:14:12 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
For the record, what in the heck did President Bush mean when he said . . . "Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another." I find that very disturbing as it implies more globalism and wealth transfer and less liberty.

Geez, talk about going off the deep end.

118 posted on 01/20/2005 10:32:53 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
it implies more globalism and wealth transfer and less liberty.

No, it doesn't.

201 posted on 01/21/2005 1:12:13 AM PST by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

None of us is an island complete, entire unto himself. Its a restatement of a passage by the English poet John Donne to effect that if we don't recognize how human life is sacred, that that which we seek within will die.


203 posted on 01/21/2005 1:13:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

It is very easy to understand the meaning of that sentence if your faith is strong. It means that no man or woman can do it alone. That we need each other to survive. As Ben Franklin stated, we must all stand together or we will all hang separately. In a global sense, it means - listen up France, Germany, and Spain! You may think you are free now and have liberty but your freedom and liberty depends on us as well as your neighbors. That's what it means, Charlie Brown!


241 posted on 01/21/2005 4:08:02 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
For the record, what in the heck did President Bush mean when he said . . . "Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another." I find that very disturbing as it implies more globalism and wealth transfer and less liberty.

I have a completely different take on that. For example, if you look at the unwashed protesters in DC yesterday, excercising their "freedom" you'll see people who contribute nothing constructive to the rest of the world.

Bush's remarks were intended to reach deep into the far corners of the earth. Freedom, or liberty, does not mean freedom "from" anything and everything. It's not globalist, it's simple ethics.

348 posted on 01/21/2005 8:21:44 AM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Cheerleading is not the point...but a diatribe that could have been written by Maureen Dowd is another...and completely mystifying. I have been and still am a great admirer of hers, but if anything, Peggy Noonan was "over-the-top" in her criticism. The jealousy thing hadn't occurred to me, but she is human...still she was the one who lacked vision and even a basic wisdom that I have always associted with her perspective, I am truly disappointed in her choice of words that are now touted by those who will never be accused of balanced intentions. It is just a shame. Oh well, upward and onward. No opinion, certainly not Noonan's or any of ours...can diminish President Bush's courage and vision. That does not mean we must always agree on every point or be "cheerleaders." All of integrity must just ask themselves are we first willing to listen and digest the whole..before picking apart for our own self-aggrandisement. The latter can be the real example of "Too much" and "over-reaching" We all can be guilty of embarrassing self-importance, and when the ego is painfully more important than principle...it becomes obvious to all. Even great writers like Noonan can fall victim, to this human flaw...but I think her column was misguided and it is a shame....because Noonan diminshed herself not the President and it is a shame. But unlike her dissection of a magnificent speech by GWB, I prefer to judge Noonan on the whole of her writings and not this lateset rather bizarre detour.


701 posted on 01/22/2005 10:41:25 AM PST by TolucaLakeConservative
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Cheerleading is not the point...but a diatribe that could have been written by Maureen Dowd is another...and completely mystifying. I have been and still am a great admirer of hers, but if anything, Peggy Noonan was "over-the-top" in her criticism. The jealousy thing hadn't occurred to me, but she is human...still she was the one who lacked vision and even a basic wisdom that I have always associted with her perspective, I am truly disappointed in her choice of words that are now touted by those who will never be accused of balanced intentions. It is just a shame. Oh well, upward and onward. No opinion, certainly not Noonan's or any of ours...can diminish President Bush's courage and vision. That does not mean we must always agree on every point or be "cheerleaders." All of integrity must just ask themselves are we first willing to listen and digest the whole..before picking apart for our own self-aggrandisement. The latter can be the real example of "Too much" and "over-reaching" We all can be guilty of embarrassing self-importance, and when the ego is painfully more important than principle...it becomes obvious to all. Even great writers like Noonan can fall victim, to this human flaw...but I think her column was misguided and it is a shame....because Noonan diminshed herself not the President and it is a shame. But unlike her dissection of a magnificent speech by GWB, I prefer to judge Noonan on the whole of her writings and not this lateset rather bizarre detour.



718 posted on 01/22/2005 12:49:28 PM PST by TolucaLakeConservative
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