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A Bloody Crime in New Jersey Divides Egyptians Once Again (Copts: "Wake up America!")
nytimes.com ^ | January 21, 2005 | ANDREA ELLIOTT

Posted on 01/20/2005 7:49:06 PM PST by Destro

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To: SheLion

Welcome to the Bigot Club, SL!


41 posted on 01/20/2005 8:46:33 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: Destro
"Why are they blaming the Muslims?" asked a 15-year-old student from Pakistan, cloaked in a black hijab, as she briskly walked home from school Wednesday afternoon. "I feel scared."

Not as scared as Sylvia Armanious felt before she died.

42 posted on 01/20/2005 8:50:42 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: SheLion
(This map was publised in 2002 and I have been told that more Mosque's have sprung up across the US since. I am trying to get an updated map).

Search for International Terrorist Entitie

FBI Raids Connecticut Mosque Leader's Home in Terror Probe

By Matt Apuzzo

Published in: Associated Press

October 15, 2004 WOLCOTT, Conn. -- FBI agents raided the home of a Waterbury Islamic leader as part of an investigation into a Sudanese charity that federal officials recently accused of supporting Osama bin Laden and other terrorists.

Majeed Sharif, president of United Muslim Mosque, would not discuss what investigators took from his Wolcott home on Wednesday. But he told The Associated Press that he did volunteer work for the Islamic African Relief Agency, a charity the Bush administration said Wednesday was financing terrorism.

Source: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ct--terrorfinancing1014oct14,0,7111496.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=2436848

http://www.cair-ct.com:

Islamic Leaders Suspicious Of FBI Visits

Saturday, October 16, 2004 Islamic Leaders Suspicious Of FBI Visits

Muslims wary of improper questioning tactics during Bureau 'outreach' program

By BETHE DUFRESNE

General Assignment Reporter/Columnist

Published on 10/15/2004

Groton - The FBI paid a visit to local Muslims two weeks ago as part of a national effort to assess security risks for the presidential elections, but upon arriving at the mosque here found no one home.

Since then, directors of the mosque, known as the Islamic Center of New London, have contacted a lawyer from the Connecticut Civil Liberties Union who has pledged to be present if and when the FBI calls on them again.

" What happened was we got a call from an FBI agent saying they needed to urgently talk to the board," Imran Ahmed, president of the mosque, said Thursday. He spoke on the eve of Ramadan, a monthlong observance commemorating the beginning of divine revelations to the prophet Muhammad, founder of Islam.

The message left by the federal agent said it was all part of an "outreach program," said Ahmed. But having heard reports from other Muslims about being asked questions "outside the scope" of what's proper when no one is charged or suspected of anything, he said, board members weren't eager to meet without a lawyer present.

" Luckily we were left messages," said Ahmed. "He couldn't contact us directly, and then he missed us when he came to the facility two weeks ago, so he just left us his card."

Ahmed said an FBI agent showed up about the same time at a satellite mosque in Norwich, unnerving members. "They (agents) have you face-to-face to create a sense of urgency," said Ahmed, "and people who aren't trained, they don't know how to act."

" A lot of them were Muslim immigrants," he said, "and they got really shocked. They said, "Did they do anything wrong?'"

The Washington, D.C.-based Council for American-Islamic Relations, which last month opened its first office in New England on State Street in New London, says the FBI is interviewing members of mosques around the nation in response to intelligence reports that al-Qaida plans an attack in America around the elections.

" Just about every mosque we've spoken to has been contacted," said Ahmed, small and large, from New London to Hartford.

Since Islamic terrorists attacked New York and Washington, D.C., on Sept. 11, 2001, security agents also have been treating Ramadan as a time of heightened risk.

The national Interfaith Alliance, a nonpartisan group that claims to have 150,000 members, last week condemned the government program of "volunteer interviews" just prior to the election and during the holy month of Ramadan.

" The nation would be outraged if this were to happen to Jews or Christians during Passover or Easter, for any reason," said the Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, charging that it "has a chilling effect on our democracy."

Ahmed said Islamic Center board members would willingly meet with the FBI but want to be sure their civil rights are protected.

" CAIR warned us," said Ahmed, that the FBI "will ask questions from many, many angles. We contacted CAIR just in time," he said, adding, "It's fortunate they just established an office here." CAIR put them in touch with a CCLU lawyer, he said.

According to information from CAIR and circulars from other mosques, said Ahmed, the FBI's "modus operandi" is to open a friendly chat and then ask who comes to the mosque and how often, their names, and where they came from.

Many mosques have come under surveillance during the past three years by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. But this was a first here, said Ahmed. "I'm not commenting on any conspiracy theories," he said. But if it was truly "outreach," he asked, why weren't non-Muslims in the community also contacted?

Ahmed said people at the mosque recognize the importance of security. "If someone comes in that we have never seen before," he said, "we will reach out and talk to that person, but always in a very nice, very cordial, respectful way."

" That's our way of being vigilant," he said, adding, "The best way of vigilance is to police yourself."

Muslims were anticipating this weekend's start of Ramadan, during which they fast during the day. The Quran, the holy book of Islam, mandates the fast as a means of introspection and learning self-restraint.

Ahmed wasn't sure whether Ramadan would start today or Saturday, because it is a lunar month, tied to a visual sighting. "It's very hard to see the moon (here) because it's very cloudy," he said. "Somebody in California may see it."

" There's a 50-50 chance" it will begin Friday, he said, but "a 100 percent chance for Saturday."

Ahmed said the lawyer from CCLU has called the FBI agent who visited and left a message that the board would be happy to answer questions any time with the lawyer present. "We're not comfortable or trained in legal lingo," said Ahmed.

But the FBI hasn't called back. Now, said Ahmed, "The ball is in their court."

b.dufresne@theday.com  

43 posted on 01/20/2005 8:54:15 PM PST by pineconeland (Or dip a pinecone in melted suet, stuff with peanut butter, and hang from a tree.)
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To: Destro
Great post Destro. I feel so bad for these egyptian copts. They come to the US in anticipation of finding religious freedom only to discover that America garantees religious freedom ONLY to those who wish to deny it to others. America at this stage of development seems to group or equate "demonic sociopathy" (islam) with legitimate religion in much the same way it equates "mass infanticide" with womens right to choose. As if infanticide were no more of a moral dilemma than picking out a new hat.

When Christians are murdered by muslims in Jersey City, the authorities will...in typical "kneejerk" fashion...bend over backwards to find theft as the motive rather than face the reality that this crime implies and the actions that must be taken to protect other innocent families, communities and even our national security.

And that reality is that the demonic cult "islam" must be eradicated from the western hemisphere. Those that wish to continue the practice of islam would emmigrate to a land of their choice. Muslims would no longer hold property. No mosques or immams. No wahabbi schools for brainwashing children. Severe penalties would be levied for violation of laws pertaining to the practice of islam. Islam would no longer be winked at as a religion of love.

This shit of islam using the free institutions of host countries to take over the world would come to an end.

44 posted on 01/20/2005 8:58:37 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Destro
But that notion does not sit well with Muslims, who have grown weary of seeing their faith tainted by extremists.

Well then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR WE WILL.

45 posted on 01/20/2005 9:01:44 PM PST by eyespysomething (He who buries his head in the sand offers a tempting target.)
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To: Destro

Well that depends on who thier parents were.


46 posted on 01/20/2005 9:18:49 PM PST by KingNo155
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To: TFine80

I certainly hope you will be able to still believe what you are saying while they are wacking off you and your families heads!


In 850, 40 Christians were beheaded in Spain for Criticizing the Muslim religion.

Those who do not remeber history are doomed to repeat it.
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They can all get out and go back to their own countries and form their own Republics with their Muslim Religion.

This country was founded by men who were Christians and Islam and Christianity don't and won't mix because of the teachings of the Muslim religion.

These people will not defend the Constitution, they are out to turn this into a Muslim country to eliminate Isreal, that's it, they will never be able to lay down this fanaticism until then, believe it!

They will only be contributors to this country until they have the upper hand, then they wiil start to demand that their religious laws be placed into effect. Don't believe me? Look North to Canada, it's already happening there!


47 posted on 01/20/2005 9:21:56 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 01/20/2005 9:47:56 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: AnAmericanMother
A cross tattoo on one girl's wrist was slashed.

Apparently the police and prosecutor are now denying this.

49 posted on 01/20/2005 9:56:40 PM PST by wideminded
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Maybe a handful, perhaps even a large handful, want to lop off my head (perhaps even especially: I'm half-Jewish).

However, many of them are my friends and I don't appreciate the stereotypes applied to them.

Were/Are Shannon Elizabeth, Salma Hayek, G.E. Smith, Paula Abdul, Bobby Rahal, Doug Flutie, and Frank Zappa trying to kill us as well??


50 posted on 01/20/2005 10:13:23 PM PST by TFine80
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To: TFine80
Were/Are Shannon Elizabeth, Salma Hayek, G.E. Smith, Paula Abdul, Bobby Rahal, Doug Flutie, and Frank Zappa trying to kill us as well??

Ask Dan Pearl, and ask the ones on your list what they think of a representative Republic...

In a war, there is no presumption of innocence.

51 posted on 01/21/2005 12:23:18 AM PST by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'Clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: wideminded
Jewish World Review

Jan. 18, 2005 / 8 Shevat, 5765

Radical Islam's double standard

By Daniel Pipes

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | The mentality of radical Islam includes several main components, of which one is Muslim supremacism a belief that believers alone should rule and otherwise enjoy an exalted status over non-Muslims. This outlook dominates the Islamist worldview as much in the elegant streets of Paris as in the rude caves of Afghanistan.

Two recent American criminal cases highlight this attribute. Both involve the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Saudi-funded group whose leadership sometimes announces its goal to Islamize the United States ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant").

The first criminal case concerns Dale T. Ehrgott, a non-Muslim insurance broker living in Reno, Nevada. Appalled by CAIR's record of apologizing for terrorism, plus the then-recent arrest on terrorism-related charges of its former employee Ismail Royer, Ehrgott dashed off four angry e-mails to CAIR in mid-2003.

One read: "We accept you [ sic ] holy war. Looking forward to it very much. We can deal with you easily especially since you are on our soil. You have taught us much about terrorism so get ready to be the receiver." In another message, some weeks later, he wrote: "You are making a lot of people angry and you idiots are sitting ducks."

" It wasn't a threat, just a nasty e-mail," Ehrgott told The Associated Press . He described CAIR as "an anti-American organization" and points out that at no time did he physically intimidate it. CAIR saw matters differently and forwarded the notes to law enforcement, which came down heavily on Ehrgott, perhaps because the Department of Justice decided to make an example of him.

Describing these e-mails as containing "a threat to injure members" of CAIR, the U.S. attorney for Nevada, Daniel Bogden, convinced a federal grand jury in March 2004 to indict Ehrgott. Bogden then threw the book at Ehrgott, who, if convicted, faced up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

But after his September 2004 trial ended in a hung jury, the feds abruptly lost their taste for prosecuting Ehrgott. They settled with him on Jan. 13, letting him off with a trivial sentence one year's probation and fifty hours of community service, implicitly acknowledging that he had acted rashly but not dangerously. The second case concerns Taiser Hosien Okashah, a Muslim food broker (and an illegal immigrant from Syria) living in Miami Beach. On June 3, 2004, Okashah threatened to destroy Best Buy store in Plantation, Florida, because, according to the store clerk's sworn testimony, he was displeased with a rebate offer on a laptop computer. "I am going to come back and blow up this place if I do not get my money this time," the clerk quotes him saying. On June 29, the authorities arrested Okashah, charged him with threatening to detonate an explosive, and briefly jailed him without bond.

Altaf Ali, executive director of CAIR's Florida office, leapt to Okashah's defense. Muslims, he said, are "very concerned that a very humble member of the community, for asking a question about a rebate, can be put in jail." Ali attributed Okashah's travails to a miscommunication exacerbated by the negative stereotyping of Muslims. A CAIR press release further specified that the arrest stemmed from "language barriers and over-reactions by store employees and law enforcement officials."

Ali also sought to have the judge in the case removed because he had ordered Okashah to undergo a psychological evaluation. Nonetheless, Okashah is scheduled to go to trial on Feb. 14, for the second-degree felony charge of "threatening to detonate an explosive device."

In CAIR's eyes, then, when a non-Muslim broker responds too emotionally to terrorism, he deserves years in jail and financial ruin. But when a Muslim broker threatens a store, he's the innocent victim of "negative stereotyping" who deserves release without any punishment at all.

The Ehrgott and Okashah incidents fit an ugly Islamist pattern of double standards. Although CAIR presents itself as a civil-rights group, it is just the opposite an organization asserting special privileges for Muslims and derogating the rights of others.

When Western institutions grant legitimacy to Islamist organizations like CAIR they strengthen Islamist supremacism and its drive for Muslim dominance. Those institutions need to get smart and retract that legitimacy, reserving it for Muslims who reject radical Islam. .

52 posted on 01/21/2005 1:11:02 AM PST by pineconeland (Or dip a pinecone in melted suet, stuff with peanut butter, and hang from a tree.)
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To: Destro

It's pretty damn convenient when some psycho killers can step out of the nominally peaceful Muslim community, slaughter four Christians like sheep, then retreat back to it's anonymity. This is how the Muslims would like it to be. No blame cast on the Ummah (Muslim community)

If these murderers arose from the internet the killers just might not be local. It could be a hit team that came in from Detroit (Dearborn) and has left. The Mafia likes to fly in outside hit teams. They make murders harder to solve since there are no one local who knows anything. Except for the one or two guys who arranged, paid for, the murder


53 posted on 01/21/2005 1:44:36 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: jonascord
uhhhmmmmmmm I don't believe this list includes muslims particularly the fundamentalist variety.
54 posted on 01/21/2005 2:19:19 AM PST by lbmorris11 (America defeating terrorism and Liberalism)
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To: lbmorris11

Some branches of the Muslim relgeon believe in the literal interpretation of the Koran, which does not allow for Democracy. Those are the ones to watch.

Wahabis (sp?), and Sunnis.


55 posted on 01/21/2005 3:18:19 AM PST by MonroeDNA (The US should get out of the UN.)
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To: Destro; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

Jersey Murder ping...


56 posted on 01/21/2005 4:09:55 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: TFine80

If they embrace the Muslim Religion, they would -- or lose their own heads!! Names or notariety has nothing to do with it!


57 posted on 01/21/2005 4:43:20 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: Destro

Mark Furhman, ex LA cop, said the crime scene robbery evidence seemed phony. The real motive was personal. Knife attacks are personal. Separating the family, duct tape, killing children who couldn't have i.d.'d robbers if they'd worn masks, all this is personal. This is standard cop deductive reasoning. Look for someone really mad at the family. (Looks like a Islamofascist hit.)


58 posted on 01/21/2005 4:46:45 AM PST by hershey
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To: Destro
For years, Mohsen Elesawi, a Muslim Egyptian, shared shisha pipes and games of chess with Christian Egyptians at the Christian-owned El Saraya cafe on Vroom Street. Now, when he walks into the room, he often hears a quiet pause, "like a subject change," he said.

O'l Moshen, that's terrible! Only one thing to do: get out your "holy book", it'll tell you the proper was to kill these heathens! (sarcasm)

59 posted on 01/21/2005 5:06:47 AM PST by utahguy (Ya gotta kill it before you grill it: Ted Nugent)
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To: wideminded

But are they denying it because they don't want to stir up trouble? They're denying a lot of obvious stuff too - like saying it was a burglary when the family says jewelry wasn't taken.


60 posted on 01/21/2005 5:14:08 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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