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To: Alamo-Girl; tortoise
Perhaps it will cause the discussion of abiogenesis to be more rigorous among those who wish to tackle a theory without boundaries....

Without boundaries, nothing is. Except relentlessly subjective opinion. So natch, you're gonna get a whole lot of "heat," and zilch "light." What tortoise proposes is a fool's game, not to put too fine a point on it. JMHO FWIW.

720 posted on 02/18/2005 10:22:40 AM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Without boundaries, nothing is.

Nonsense. The universe is discrete, which means their are very hard boundaries we must work within. This provides very tidy building blocks from which everything can be built and uncovers all the semantic handwaving.

How do you define "life" in terms of conformation differences between two physical regions of discrete space? The point of all this, which you apparently missed, is to give a meaningful grounding to any definition you might come up with. Everything is reducible to algorithmic information, so what are the measurable mathematical differences between something that is living and something that is dead? We have fuzzy heuristics for every day use, but what is the universal definition that I can use to measure anything?

"Fool's game", indeed. What is constructive about making handwaving assertions in the absence of meaningful definitions?

721 posted on 02/18/2005 10:46:01 AM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: betty boop
Without boundaries, nothing is. Except relentlessly subjective opinion. So natch, you're gonna get a whole lot of "heat," and zilch "light." What tortoise proposes is a fool's game, not to put too fine a point on it. JMHO FWIW.

Exactly why I want no part of such an investigation. Thanks for your reply!

722 posted on 02/18/2005 10:50:42 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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