[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your reply!

The remarks of js1138, and Alamo-Girl's observation that the ability to predict the consequences of design pretty much rules out any natural designer (as I understand her remarks), would seem to demolish any pretentions of the ID movement that they are advocating anything but a religious doctrine.

Er, my remarks specifically left open the possibility of the designer being cosmic ancestry or collective consciousness. The difference is that neither would be outside the hypercube, as God is, and thus would have to have an extra temporal dimension in vision or mind to know with certainty the outcome of designs or changes to designs.

[PatrickHenry]

Er, my remarks specifically left open the possibility of the designer being cosmic ancestry or collective consciousness.

Yes, but to my primitive, 4-D brain, such a designer is difficult to distinguish from a deity. And I still don't see how he/she/it could foretell the future of its designs unless equipped with god-like omniscience. Besides, I think that proposing such a "designer" wouldn't help the ID folks in their quest to appear "scientific" enough to slip their conjectures into the classroom as a realistic alternative to evolution.